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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Storz] #183131
06/26/09 12:48 AM
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Capricorn...Why? and Huh?

The Capricorn was developed in New Caledonia by Martin Fischer, right under the Tropic of Capricorn.

thats why.


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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Dazz] #183179
06/26/09 10:35 AM
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Hmmm, good thing he wasn't in the northern hemisphere, I don't think Cancer would be a good name for a boat.

Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Karl_Brogger] #183185
06/26/09 10:52 AM
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The NACRA 20 sucks


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: dave mosley] #183189
06/26/09 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dave mosley
The NACRA 20 sucks


I got my popcorn!!! laugh

Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: dave mosley] #183197
06/26/09 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dave mosley
The NACRA 20 sucks

Ditto....F-18's Rule!!!! grin


If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one
Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: ksurfer2] #183201
06/26/09 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Originally Posted by dave mosley
The NACRA 20 sucks

Ditto....F-18's Rule!!!! grin

Karl,Karl,Karl....


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

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If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #183209
06/26/09 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Originally Posted by dave mosley
The NACRA 20 sucks

Ditto....F-18's Rule!!!! grin

Karl,Karl,Karl....


Yes???????


If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one
Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: ksurfer2] #183229
06/26/09 03:53 PM
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Thanks Karl!


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: dave mosley] #183236
06/26/09 04:25 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwlodvWh7w&feature=player_embedded


Here's a video of a "Wrecked Beaver".

This plane is a De Haviland Beaver, one of the most popular float planes in Alaska and Canada.

There were 4 people on board, and two dogs, and all walked away with minor injuries, if you can believe it.

I don't know for sure but to me, this looks like maybe the pilot's buddy was the Camera Man, and the pilot was trying to show off by giving him a buzz job on takeoff. As you see, when the words "Watch This" are spoken (or even thought about), it seldom ends well...

I'm thinking about starting a "Save the Beaver" support group. Who's in? Pink wristbands with "S the B" to follow.


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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Timbo] #183241
06/26/09 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo


Here's a video of a "Wrecked Beaver".

This plane is a De Haviland Beaver, one of the most popular float planes in Alaska and Canada.

There were 4 people on board, and two dogs, and all walked away with minor injuries, if you can believe it.

What a small world. I got a call minutes after that crashed happened. I have meet the pilot on several occasions and I'm great friends with his neighbor at his lodge on Bulchitna Lake in the Susitna Drainage of Alaska. The irony of it all is that I am also the lucky survivor of a plane crash in a Beaver. It was 2001 - Rust's Flying Service. Took off from Lake Hood, crashed a mile from Bulchitna Lake, . . . and video taped it. I'm still not fully over it. Many others aren't so lucky, and this happens way more often than it should. Don't ever fly with Rust's Flying Service.


Philip
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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: P.M.] #183243
06/26/09 05:04 PM
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Wow! You are one lucky son of a Gun!

Can you post the video of your crash? Was it on landing or takeoff? Details?

Oh, and on the crash video above, what was the real story? Was the pilot in fact trying to show off or was there a legitimate issue that caused this? Thanks.


Blade F16
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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Timbo] #183248
06/26/09 05:19 PM
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Yes, I'm extremely lucky. It was hard to get back in a plane, and I still get the squirts when I fly. Not sure I'm allowed to post the video, I'll need to check. It was a case of negligence on behalf of the pilot and Rust's, and it was the landing, if you want to call it that. As for showing off in the above youtube video, no, that was not the case.


Philip
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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: P.M.] #183249
06/26/09 05:50 PM
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Do you know what the cause of the above crash was? I heard the pilot said, "A gust of wind hit me..." but looking at the water's surface and the wind sock in the video, there seems to be very light wind, and most gusts will increase your aparant airspeed, so will LIFT you up. From the wind sock it looked like a very light right crosswind, but even so, if a gust came from the right, it must have been a -hellofa- big one, to cause that.


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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: dave mosley] #183311
06/27/09 06:36 PM
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Yes B-Class is a box rule. The specs are max LOA 20 feet, max beam 10', max SA 235 ft^2. The original Tornado was intended to be the ultimate B-Class racing machine.

Prindle was named after Geoff Prindle, who thought the H16 needed more bouyancy.

There's a legal organization called NACRA. Put NACRA through google.

Exploding Beaver? Almost sounds pornographic.

Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Storz] #183319
06/27/09 08:38 PM
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Introducing the newest catamaran for those of you that are loving the same old tech, The Sea Anchor 20'.


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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: P.M.] #183321
06/27/09 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mummp
Yes, I'm extremely lucky. . . I still get the squirts when I fly.

Hey Phil,
I'm not so sure the passenger next to you is very lucky . . .
Do you give them any kind of a warning shot or just blast away. . .


CARY
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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Timbo] #183345
06/28/09 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Do you know what the cause of the above crash was? I heard the pilot said, "A gust of wind hit me..." but looking at the water's surface and the wind sock in the video, there seems to be very light wind, and most gusts will increase your aparant airspeed, so will LIFT you up. From the wind sock it looked like a very light right crosswind, but even so, if a gust came from the right, it must have been a -hellofa- big one, to cause that.

Well, you have to know this lake. He (a doctor) crashed because he veered off the entrance or beginning of the runway, which is a long lane along the "island", and tried to get the beaver airborne and fly out of it, instead of correcting his course on the water. The cameraman was standing at the beginning of this runway, which you can clearly see at the end of the video. The float planes use the area you see in the video as their run ups for take off to the channel/runway along the island. This appears to be an example of pilot error, and lack of experience. He had just checked out like 3 days earlier on the beaver. FWIW, He had crashed his 185 on skis at Bulchitna Lake around Christmas 2007. NOT a good record.

Timbo, this is what is believed to have happened from several of the seasoned beaver guys: At 34-35 seconds notice his right float lifts. The plane looses the float rudder authority and drifts left or in sailing terms (to port) and is now off course. The pilot has several options to correct, including throttle back and taxi to retry, and/or correcting on water. These guys think a few senarios contributed to a bad decision to try to fly out of it, lack of experience and habit from his time on a 185 on floats, which steps differently than a beaver on floats. As for the gust, they think that experience and proper crosswind training make it a mute point. The good in all this is that nobody was hurt or killed, and you know that to walk away from a plane crash is a blessing. This picture should help with the layout. Again, this **** happens alot up there.

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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: dave mosley] #190931
09/14/09 12:08 PM
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FYI, a "stiletto" is a short knife or dagger with a long slender blade...

Or in the case of my S-27, an overgrown beach cat that spends all it's time on the trailer frown

Last edited by CrdStang; 09/14/09 12:33 PM.

I live in the most rainy city in the US (Hilo, Hawaii), with generally crap for wind..I need a spinnaker!
Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: Dazz] #190935
09/14/09 01:17 PM
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I thought Martin Fischer is german?! At least he has a german phone number (area code of Munich). Do you know if he is still associated with AHPC?


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Re: Exploding Beaver [Re: CrdStang] #190944
09/14/09 02:54 PM
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Hey, I see you are looking for a spinnaker. Check the classifieds at:
http://stiletto.wildjibe.com/cgi-bin/pgs-db.cgi?loc=http://stiletto.wildjibe.com/forsale/&database=forsale/forsale-db.txt

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