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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #187541
08/10/09 04:24 PM
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There are a number of decent lakes in the Ocala area... you cannot get blown out to sea while you learn to blow over. My cat did not come with directions either. It is a bit intimidating at first. Suddenly, one day... you realize you have a handle on it.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: deepsees] #187544
08/10/09 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by deepsees
Suddenly, one day... you realize you have a handle on it.


I am getting sick of waitting....

Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: Timbo] #187767
08/12/09 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a "home made" utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.


Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...


Jody Phillips
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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: dacarls] #187770
08/12/09 08:02 PM
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Ocala, FL
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Originally Posted by dacarls
Call/email Charlie Johnson, in W. Ocala for instant help.
Tell him you heard he was a wizard Prindle 19 sailor, but you need help. sailerp19 at aol.com


So Charlie came over Sunday and helped me get her rigged.


[Linked Image]


Jody Phillips
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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: TheManShed] #187771
08/12/09 08:12 PM
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Ocala, FL
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Originally Posted by TheManShed
Don't feel bad we have all jumped on a trailer that has not been hook up and went for a ride! That is a right of passage, welcome to the club!


Thanks!


Jody Phillips
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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #187834
08/13/09 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ocalacat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a "home made" utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.


Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...


Any info on when this new law went into effect?

at my beach.. there is vertually no-one with a registered or titled cat...
actually i only know of 1 person who actually has a title for their cat...i have never had a title for any of my 3 cats..

http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/faqboat.html#7
Is a non-powered vessel required to be registered and titled?

If the non-motor powered vessel is less than 16 feet in length, it is not required to be registered or titled. However, if the vessel is 16 feet or more in length, it is required to be registered and titled.


Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ] #187908
08/13/09 12:42 PM
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Yeah, must be new. I have never seen a Florida beach cat with a title. I looked it up about a decade ago and I think my SC20 barely made the cut for length back then.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: cyberspeed] #187917
08/13/09 01:06 PM
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In december 08 i wrote
http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/vslfacts.html#4
Exemptions From Registration - non-motor-powered vessels
Exemptions From Titling - non-motor-powered vessels less than 16 feet in length

the link no longer goes to that info....

Last edited by andrewscott; 08/13/09 01:10 PM.
Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ] #187978
08/13/09 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by ocalacat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a "home made" utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.


Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...


Any info on when this new law went into effect?

at my beach.. there is vertually no-one with a registered or titled cat...
actually i only know of 1 person who actually has a title for their cat...i have never had a title for any of my 3 cats..

http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/faqboat.html#7
Is a non-powered vessel required to be registered and titled?

If the non-motor powered vessel is less than 16 feet in length, it is not required to be registered or titled. However, if the vessel is 16 feet or more in length, it is required to be registered and titled.



Andrew,

The last sentence is the key point here.

"However, if the vessel is 16 feet or more in length, it is required to be registered and titled."

An H16 falls into this category.

Here's what I went through. I knew I had to get the trailer registered one way or the other but didn't think I had to worry about a title or registration for the boat. Keep in mind this is an 81 H16. It has been through at least three owners that I know of.

In the process of dealing with the trailer registration, the girl at the tax collectors office asks me if I am going to register the boat and I say no, it doesn't have to be registered. She informs me that yes, even if it is a non motorized sail boat 16' or over, it must now be registered, so I hope you have a title and previous registration. Nope!

I had to have fish and wildlife commission come out and do an inspection on the boat. Run the numbers to see if it had ever been registered, measure the boat, take photo's etc... see you can't get it registered without a title and neither I or the last two guys that owned the boat had a title.

So now I have applied for a title which will take 8 to 10 weeks and he tells me that while he has recommended that a title be issued, as he's sure it's not a stolen boat, I am at the mercy of the state and they may or may not issue a clear title. If not, I can't get it registered and I will be in violation of the law. He also said that technically, if he wanted to be an butt, he could really make it difficult for me and especially the guy who sold me an untitled boat.

All that said, the guy was super helpful and was much more pleasant to deal with than the idiots at the tax collectors office. He said this was such a big waste of his time that could be spent on things that actually make a difference.

He also said I might want to pass along the info since there are obviously many people in the same situation, and are not aware of the newly revised law.

Just passing it along.


Jody Phillips
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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #187981
08/13/09 08:20 PM
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All that said, Anyone want to take a newbie sailing this weekend?


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188093
08/14/09 06:49 PM
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All of us are in the same "BOAT". No registration...

When did the new law go into effect?


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: cyberspeed] #188100
08/14/09 08:09 PM
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Ocala, FL
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Originally Posted by cyberspeed
All of us are in the same "BOAT". No registration...

When did the new law go into effect?


I was told August 1st.

Maybe this is something that should be posted as a sticky or at least a new post entitled New FL laws regarding title and registration for 16' or over non motorized vessels?

Last edited by ocalacat; 08/15/09 08:47 AM. Reason: sp

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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188134
08/15/09 09:27 PM
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Anyone going sailing in or around the Ocala area tomorrow? I've had the boat for two weeks now and really want to get her out on the water. I started to go today but just decided there was no way I was going be able to step the mast by myself, not to mention the fact that I don't have a clue what I'm doing on the water.

My 17 year old daughter could help me step the mast but I'm not comfortable taking her out considering I don't know what I'm doing. She's very athletic (she'll be playing D1 collegiate soccer next year) and a great swimmer but I just don't feel like it's a very smart thing to do? Am I being over cautious here?

What about trying it with just the main sail and not the jib? I think maybe one less thing to figure out may make it less intimidating. I just really want to get out there and just can't seem to find any local sailors.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188135
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I'm sure you've all seen this video but it makes me smile every time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWINygISxDE


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188142
08/16/09 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ocalacat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a "home made" utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.


Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...


This is just another way for the State to tax us. They did the same with dirt bikes.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188144
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Sailing a H-16 without the jib is not recommended as the jib is the forstay, and is how the rig is tensioned. Tacking a
H-16 w/o a jib would also be very difficult. You can back wind the jib to help push the boat onto the point of sail. Happy sailing.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: catman] #188146
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Originally Posted by catman
Originally Posted by ocalacat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a "home made" utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.


Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...


This is just another way for the State to tax us. They did the same with dirt bikes.


Absolutely! I remember when they did this with ATV's and caused a huge uproar. It's a joke and like I mentioned previously, the officer that inspected my boat said it was such a huge waste of their time.


Jody Phillips
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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: stevefisherkeller] #188147
08/16/09 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by stevefisherkeller
Sailing a H-16 without the jib is not recommended as the jib is the forstay, and is how the rig is tensioned. Tacking a
H-16 w/o a jib would also be very difficult. You can back wind the jib to help push the boat onto the point of sail. Happy sailing.


Thanks for the info Steve. I guess I just have to get out there and do it.

Pretty gusty today for a first attempt though.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188149
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Check the weather.


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Re: Newbie needs help in Ocala, FL [Re: ocalacat] #188234
08/17/09 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ocalacat
I'm sure you've all seen this video but it makes me smile every time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWINygISxDE


Yes great video~!
there is another one of guys wakeboarding behind that trimaran (with waterski lines)

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