Oh,

I think Vipers won every race at the GC?

i'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong on this

thanks for the correction, however it may be more relevant if you confirm receipt of my email with confirmation of payment?

Even from you that is so silly that it hardly is worth commenting. We all know it is not the boat but the crew.


Stop making yourself look like a clown. Returning to this Don Quixote quest with the min weight and trying to be smart playing word games. It is not going to happen. If you want to try raising min weight, here is the info you need, but you are waisting your time:

Become a member here: http://www.formula16.net/content/view/60/63/lang,en/

You find the class rules here: http://www.formula16.net/content/view/19/34/lang,en/

Until you do it the proper way, leave the subject alone or get out of here.

Ahh, yes I have read on here that you could put the top 3 teams on a plank of wood with a cotton sail and they would still win... (or words to that effect)

How about confirming receipt of my email with payment??

I don't kow for moment ..

At Eurocat i think their will be 10 ore more Viper this year, but personnaly i'll must be in F18.
With new F18 and world in France it's my priority....

but after Jully i would like sail more in Viper.

Global Challenge 2010 is it already plan ?

I am not going to interfere with the processes taking place in accepting new members. There is a defined process for that like in all well organized classes and I am not part of the process.

Now I answered you, are you going to get smart and not do your Don Quixote act any more?


Sailfast,
I dont think the 2010 GC is settled yet, you will have to ask the governing council about that. Are you interested in hosting the event perhaps?

Did you attach the money to the email?, there's ya problem!

Rolf, perraps we could continu by email now ..
we are really far of subject ..

but why not for GC ..

for information, i send today my paiment to class by paypal without problem

Emails, anytime. But for the Global Challenge, I am not involved there and will just be an uneccesary middleman if you communicate through me. If you want to know more about the Global Challenge and eventually making a bid to host the event you need to speak with the governing council. Get in touch with Hans Klook, our class president.

Yeah, second that. Perhaps why we don't see too many singlehanded Vipers? Who knows... anyhow, good to have you at some CRAW events this year Karl. Looking forward to 2010.

(A little depressing to log in today for the first time in a year and a half and find this silliness still going on.)

Probably see me again next year, on a Viper, singlehanded. Depends on how Monday goes, I'm looking at buying some land to put the cabinet shop on. If I do that I may be sailing the FXone forever, which isn't so bad, I got a pretty soft number compared to the rest of the fleet in CRAW.



No kidding. It just popped up outta no where yesterday, or the day before. I don't really understand it.


Somebody should bend Greg Goodall's ear about hosting it in Australia next year. I don't know how, but I'd like to make that trip.

Rolf,

This defined process.... is it as specified on the singup page?

Here s a copy of the text: "The registration process is in two parts. First we ask you for your name, adress, sailnumber etc. Then we ask you to click on the "PayPal" button to complete paying the membership fee. Your registration is not valid until you have completed the PayPal transaction."

As I have completed the paypal transaction, I can assume that I am now a fully paid member of the F16 class?

Yup, if you paid as you said, as soon as your national association process your registration (give them some time, they are all volunteers) you will be a non-voting member. Welcome.

Once you own a F16 you will be full member, with voting rights.

Great!! I already own a class legal F16 so i'm all good to go now!

Completely unrelated but is stealth marine still in business? their website seems to be missing in action


http://www.stealthmarine.co.uk/

-2- Explain why can Hobie build and market the 100kg or less carbon iCat but not a glass/alu 107-112 kg F16 ? Perhaps boat is build for 1-up only ;-)

The answer is because they don't want to.. plain and simple..

John website was hosted at geocities, and geocities closed their doors, at last. Once he has time I'm sure john will put up a new web site.

I'm not looking for a polemic either, so indeed we agree there, however one job of this forum is to is to properly inform potential customers and hence my replies. The aim at providing the counter view.

In reply to your comments, I refered to actual measurements as taken at the GC 2007 and have you included the aluminium rudderstock in your 12.64 kg ?

In order to complete the picture I provide the measurements of my own set

2 * 1.018 kg for the rudderboards
2 * 0.530 kg for the rudders stocks incl. kickup rods etc
2 * 2.011 kg for the daggerboards

total 7.118 kg ready for usage / cost < 1000 Euro at the time

Back in 2008 I've witnessed a 1.6 kg high aspect daggerboard made by www.catamaranparts.nl being tested by a 95 kg guys jumping up and down at it tip. It has been used in sailing since then without any complications as far as I know.

Sailfast I wish you the best of fair weather and sailing winds.

And maybe we do meet at some event in the future,

Regards,

Wouter

"In reply to your comments, I refered to actual measurements as taken at the GC 2007 and have you included the aluminium rudderstock in your 12.64 kg ?"

Yes of course, in F18 weight of rudders is for the full system.

For memory, Viper at GC 2007 was prototype ... i think take it like references isn't fair ..

Now GC is finish, we could tell 8 Viper 2-up was present, 7 finish in the 8 th ... mens isn't enough for explain that.

I think you'll find that it was actually the human operators who won the races, rather then their piece of hardware.

Additionally, race 15 was won by Matt and Gina McDonald sailing the Falcon F16; they were 2nd in the two preceding races (13 and 14). http://www.gulfportyachtclub.com/results.htm

So yes, you are wrong (again !)

Wouter