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Sail Storage #197426
11/23/09 10:20 PM
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Is it OK to store sails outside, in a well vented box that is in the shade most of the day?


Eric Arbogast
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Re: Sail Storage [Re: arbo06] #197439
11/24/09 03:14 AM
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for synthetic sails, yes.

Cheers,

Klaus

Re: Sail Storage [Re: arbo06] #197444
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Originally Posted by arbo06
... in a well vented box ...

Preferably a box that is mouse-proof (DAMHIKT).

Re: Sail Storage [Re: arbo06] #197448
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Originally Posted by arbo06
Is it OK to store sails outside, in a well vented box that is in the shade most of the day?


It you don't mind **** (Palmetto Bug) crap. (Mary won't let us say ****!)


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Sail Cleaning may precede Storage [Re: Isotope235] #197449
11/24/09 09:04 AM
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I believe that good "seasonal sail storage" begins with good sail care and cleaning.

This is from the archives:

Here is a site that gives some great tips:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance-articles/19829-sail-care-cleaning.html

This next section also gives some good suggestions:

So you wanna clean your sail yourself by Greg Allen http://www.mothboat.com/CMBA/Building/sailclean.htm

Are the accent Phoenicians the keepers of the secret to sail cleaning?

Does the chemical list look like a cross between jet fuel and DNA gene spliced material?

Should sail cleaning only be attempted by the chosen few in purple robes?

Professional sail cleaners, if available in your area, do guarantee their work for about a dollar per foot. But a peak behind the curtain revealed a simple labor-intensive process with common household chemicals, not rocket science and exotic materials. And the labor was performed by a high school part-timer, not a degreed specialist.

Materials

The materials needed are a basin or bath tub where the sail can be emersed. Luke Warm water, laundry soap, laundry bleach, mild brush, and a place to hang them to dry. The sail cleaner used liquid Tide and Clorox bleach, but said any brand will do.

I was concerned about the use of bleach, but a 1983 study by Howe & Bainbridge showed that if household bleach is used sparingly and rinsed properly, bleach will not damage dacron and cotton cloth or the stitching.

The report also says never never ever use bleach on nylon or kevlar sails.

Bleach will discolor your cloths, so keep this in mind when choosing proper sail-cleaning attire.

You may wish to wear gloves as well.

Cleaning the Sail

It’s simple; soak the sail in lukewarm water and laundry soap for about 12 hours.

How much laundry soap?

Follow the directions on the box.

Next spread the sail out flat and scrub with the mild bristle laundry brush.

Treat the stained areas with a 2-4 percent solution of bleach and water.

Rinse thoroughly and hang out to dry.

I used the bath tub because the side of the tub offered a large flat surface for scrubbing the sail a section at a time.

Since most of us no longer have cloths lines, I strung a line between two trees and hung the sail there.

Fold the sail only after it is completely dry.

Mildew

The biggest secret to removing mildew is to begin at the earliest opportunity. Otherwise it will spread quickly and set deep into the fabric and stitches.

Household bleach and warm water are the chemicals of choice.

If the mildew does not come out during the first scrubbing, further cleaning will only damage the fabric.

That’s as good as it gets.

Get over it.

Rinse the sail thoroughly and dry flat and completely.

Drying the sail in sunlight may further fade the stain.

Storing the sail in a dry well-ventilated area will help prevent the mildew from reoccurring

Spot Remover

The sail cleaner kept referring to a special citric spot remover by 3m, but further investigation revealed a spry bottle of Fantastic.

Again, the treated area was rinsed completely after scrubbing.

For blood they used Tilex which is a chlorinated cleaner with higher levels of chlorine, and they used acetone.

I personally would rather put up with the stains than risk using these chemicals on the sail.

Remember to rinse profusely with tons of water.

If sailing in salt water, rinse the sails each time to sail. And at the end of the season, use a soft brush on any metal rings to minimize corrosion.

So you don’t need ancient secrets or exotic chemicals. Just a few readily available materials, lots of elbow grease, and some common sense.

Suggestions from Andy Greenspon

Sailing is a very opinionated pleasurable past-time.

How one sets up a boat and how they sail their boat is also very personal. I have other ideas as to how to care for sails.

When Debbie and I first moved to the Clearwater/ St. Pete area, we opened a sail cleaning and canvas cleaning business.

I spent many hours on the phone with DuPont engineers as to the best methods of cleaning sails.

Also, presently, I have a carpet and upholstery cleaning business.

Most, if not all, the techniques I learned from experience are transferable between carpeting and sails, since they are both synthetic substances/materials.

Here's how I do it:

1. Wash/rinse the sail with fresh water

2. When using a "cleanser" opt for a product like Borax II or a product that has oxygenated bleach, not chlorinated bleach (the oxygen will not attack the fibers as chlorine can. When using two separate products, IE a cleaner and a "bleach" be careful that the pH factor is neutral (7.2) or else harm can be done to the cloth. If the cleanser has the bleach already in the product then chances are that the cleanser is neither acidic nor alkaline. Chlorine can turn white fabric yellow and destroy the fabric at the same time. Oxygenated bleach doesn't attack the threads and will bring the natural color back making it whiter and brighter. As always, rinse well after washing.

ANDY

Anyone have some other or additional tips???

Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: tomthouse] #197451
11/24/09 09:34 AM
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Sail storage tips:

I can't quite remmeber which forum this came up on in the past, but after your questions(s) I thought it worth sharing here.

The question was:

What is the best method for storing sails: folding, rolling or flaking for off season storage?

For me, the answer is: It depends.

For my mainsail, I find it best to ensure the sail is clean and "completely" dry and then I roll it.

I loosen all battens and then use the middle batten to roll the sail.

Once rolled I then place the mainsail into a long storage bag or sleeve that can "breath".

The sleeve is then placed in a dry location protected from moisture, birds, insects, rodents, etc.

I also ensure nothing is stored on top of the sleeve or anything that can rub against the sleeve.

I used to fold/flake the main. However, over time I found the sail main would wear, weaken and eventually tear along the fold/flake lines

Since I've begun rolling the sail for storage, I've not had the problem.

For my head sails, lappers, hooters, spinnakers, etc. I used to fold/flake.

However, I experienced the same problem with wear, weakening and eventual tearing along the fold/flake lines.

More recently I ensure the head sails are completely dry and I use a stuff sack for "between use" and seasonal storage.

Since I've made this change, I've not experienced the wear, weakening and eventual tearing along the fold/flake lines.

That is probably because the fold/flake lines are completely random, when using the stuff sacks.

Does anyone else have any thoughts or advice???

Wow, look outside, it's snowing.

However, Spring is coming and it will soon be time to get the boat ready for the next season....waaa hoooo...!

Last edited by tomthouse; 11/24/09 09:35 AM.
Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: Isotope235] #197455
11/24/09 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Isotope42
Originally Posted by arbo06
... in a well vented box ...

Preferably a box that is mouse-proof (DAMHIKT).


Amen, now I store with mouse poison in box.

Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: hobiephil] #197458
11/24/09 10:16 AM
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note to self, dont eat phil's sails

Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: ] #197460
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Dryness is huge. Also, carpenter ants seem to LOVE my sail box. They don't appear to be eating anything (the box is fiberglass, and the sails don't have holes), so I think they're just living there.

Mike

Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: brucat] #197507
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If I can keep the riff raff out of the box using screen, and assuming the box vents heat and moisture, do you think I'LL SURVIVE?


Eric Arbogast
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Miami Yacht Club
Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: arbo06] #197508
11/24/09 08:55 PM
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You'll be fine. If you have a little sun on the box or tube that will help drive out moisture as well. Not perfect that requires dehumidification. If I recall you have a pool. I've successfully cleaned dozens of opti sails sunfish, laser, the sails for bigger half-boats and of course the T. I just let them soak after a shock cycle for a few days then a little gentle scrub and you're done except for the drying and a roll.


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Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: walkefmb] #197509
11/24/09 09:25 PM
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Good memory! The sails are new, nothing to clean or fix. I am doing a garage re-org and I am looking for sail storage options. Of course, I have 5K wrapped up in the sails and don't want to screw them up.


Eric Arbogast
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Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: arbo06] #197510
11/24/09 09:44 PM
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Don't worry Eric, they depreciate every time you go sailing!


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Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: Dazz] #197512
11/24/09 10:11 PM
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damnit Jim! Butt right now they are freakin beautful!


Eric Arbogast
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Re: Sail Storage tips [Re: arbo06] #197534
11/25/09 09:10 AM
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take pics and enjoy them while they are young. smile


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