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38.912, -95.37 | Result of hearing: RC erred by giving boat 3 a finish whistle. This made several boats alter course. No fair way to provide redress to all boats effected. Race thrown out. If the SI tell skippers a fixed number of laps, that's the responsibility of each skipper to count their laps themselves. Not the RC. The RC sees a boat cross the line and simply honk to notify the time was duly noted. If one competitor got it wrong and all the ones behind follow like sheeps, all the sheeps should be disqualified with the one who got it wrong. But that could only be decided by a protest committee. None of the sheep should be allowed any redress whatsoever. If you are a competitor in that race who got it right and your race was thrown out, you should protest the RC. Unless I'm reading that report wrong, or there are some facts I've misinterpreted from the short report, throwing the race away is against the rules. Actually, wouldn't it be the responsibilty of a competitor to protest all the boats that sailed the wrong course? No fault of RC, first boat across the line gets a toot, unless the line is closed, then they must pay attention. Hope all is well and all are just getting wet. 
John H16, H14
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[Re: chipshort]
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12/05/09 06:29 PM 12/05/09 06:29 PM |
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Detroit, MI | Result of hearing: RC erred by giving boat 3 a finish whistle. This made several boats alter course. No fair way to provide redress to all boats effected. Race thrown out. There is no requirement in the RRS for a whistle (or any other sound) at the finish. Unless there is something in the SIs requiring a whistle at the finish, this is a classic case of an RC shooting itself in the foot because they thought they knew the rules, but really didn't. A closed start/finish line in a regatta with only 21 boats is unnecessary. It serves no purpose other than to confuse the competitors and create unnecessary tactical situations. November flag is up, No more racing today. Proper signal for "no more racing today" is AP over Alpha (if a race is not in progress) or November over Alpha (if a race is in progress). If there's a race in progress, displaying the November flag means "race is abandoned, return to the starting area". Otherwise, it has no meaning. | | | Re: IWCA Wave National results
[Re: mbounds]
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12/06/09 03:59 AM 12/06/09 03:59 AM |
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Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | A closed start/finish line in a regatta with only 21 boats is unnecessary. It serves no purpose other than to confuse the competitors and create unnecessary tactical situations. The start/finish line was open. | | | Re: IWCA Wave National results
[Re: Mary]
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12/06/09 08:25 AM 12/06/09 08:25 AM |
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Sebring, Florida. | Why not always put the start finish line -below- the gate, then you won't have to worry about it being open, closed, or who is finishing and who is not...
Blade F16
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[Re: Mary]
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12/06/09 09:05 AM 12/06/09 09:05 AM |
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Detroit, MI | A closed start/finish line in a regatta with only 21 boats is unnecessary. It serves no purpose other than to confuse the competitors and create unnecessary tactical situations. The start/finish line was open. Then please explain why one boat "getting a finish whistle" would make several boats alter course and result in the race being tossed.
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[Re: Mary]
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12/06/09 12:19 PM 12/06/09 12:19 PM |
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Long Beach, California | I would guess (I'm not there) that someone went through the open line on the way to the next mark, someone on the RC hadn't been counting laps and thought the boat was finishing, so they blew the whistle. Boats in earshot hear the whistle and figure they misread the course, and bore away hard (if beating) to go through the line, too. Boats not in earshot (or more confident) continued on. Boats that altered course probably dropped some positions, assuming they came to the finish line while the RC was figuring out they had screwed up and told racers to continue sailing. If there wasn't a BIMBO taking roundings, it might have been tough to reconstruct the race in a fair way so that only the boats requesting redress got satisfaction.
Bottom line - there was an RC action that caused confusion. It very well may have been the fairest thing to toss the race. Armchairing it from out here on the internets may be engaging, but it is impossible, IMO, to second guess this one with any sort of confidence.
John Williams
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[Re: chipshort]
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12/06/09 12:59 PM 12/06/09 12:59 PM |
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Key Largo, Fl | Results are final:
Rank SailNo HelmName R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R11 Total Nett
1st 100 Jack Woehrle 3.0 3.0 2.0 3.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 (9.0) 2.0 4.0 31.0 22.0
2nd 96 Leah White 2.0 1.0 9.0 2.0 4.0 2.0 5.0 (15.0) 1.0 1.0 1.0 43.0 28.0
3rd 66 Dave White 4.0 2.0 3.0 1.0 (16.0) 7.0 3.0 2.0 7.0 5.0 5.0 55.0 39.0
4th 6 Stan Woodruff 1.0 (22.0 OCS) 1.0 8.0 2.0 3.0 1.0 4.0 8.0 11.0 9.0 70.0 48.0
5th 24 Ray Matusak 9.0 5.0 5.0 6.0 3.0 6.0 6.0 9.0 (11.0) 10.0 2.0 72.0 61.0
6th 19 Taylor Palmer 7.0 RDGa 7.0 RDGa 7.0 RDGa 7.0 RDGa 6.0 5.0 8.0 11.0 4.0 3.0 (12.0) 77.0 65.0
7th 3 Steve Abbey 11.0 4.0 11.0 4.0 (19.0) 8.0 4.0 3.0 6.0 7.0 11.0 88.0 69.0
8th 10 Jim Glanden 5.0 6.0 6.0 (14.0) 8.0 10.0 12.0 8.0 12.0 8.0 8.0 97.0 83.0
9th 4 MB Villa 8.0 9.0 12.0 11.0 9.0 4.0 13.0 (22.0 DNS) 10.0 4.0 10.0 112.0 90.0
10th 111 Mike Powers 12.0 12.0 4.0 (15.0) 10.0 15.0 9.0 7.0 15.0 12.0 3.0 114.0 99.0
11th 23 Mark Scarpelli 10.0 10.0 7.0 12.0 (14.0) 12.0 14.0 13.0 2.0 14.0 7.0 115.0 101.0
12th 17 Skip Kaub 7.0 8.0 10.0 7.0 12.0 11.0 7.0 5.0 18.0 (22.0 DNF) 17.0 124.0 102.0
13th 21 John McKnight 6.0 13.0 13.0 10.0 7.0 9.0 11.0 12.0 (17.0) 9.0 14.0 121.0 104.0
14th 5 Sharon Woodruff 14.0 7.0 8.0 5.0 13.0 (18.0) 10.0 14.0 5.0 13.0 16.0 123.0 105.0
15th 12 Julian Roots 12.0 RDGa 12.0 RDGa 12.0 RDGa 12.0 RDGa 5.0 14.0 15.0 10.0 3.0 (22.0 DNF) 15.0 132.0 110.0
16th 22 Marlyn Hahn 15.0 17.0 15.0 9.0 15.0 13.0 17.0 (22.0 DNS) 13.0 6.0 13.0 155.0 133.0
17th 2 Don Harper 16.0 14.0 (19.0) 13.0 17.0 17.0 16.0 6.0 19.0 15.0 6.0 158.0 139.0
18th 18 Dan Kulkoski 13.0 11.0 16.0 17.0 18.0 19.0 (22.0 DNF) 22.0 DNS 16.0 22.0 DNF 22.0 DNS 198.0 176.0
19th 15 Kathy Kulkoski (22.0 DNF) 22.0 DNS 14.0 16.0 11.0 16.0 22.0 DNF 22.0 DNS 14.0 22.0 DNF 22.0 DNS 203.0 181.0
20th 14 Barbara Bernstein 18.0 15.0 18.0 19.0 20.0 21.0 18.0 (22.0 DNS) 21.0 16.0 18.0 206.0 184.0
21st 25 Marylou Chambers 17.0 16.0 17.0 18.0 (22.0 OCS) 20.0 19.0 22.0 DNS 20.0 22.0 DNF 22.0 DNS 215.0 193.0
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12/07/09 10:17 AM 12/07/09 10:17 AM |
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Naples, FL | out of curiosity, what is considered the upper wind speed of a Wave's performance envelope?
Jay
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