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| You're right though, I shouldn't have an opinion on something I'm not a part of. I disagree, this is a FORUM, you are a part of it. you are entitled to an opinion, and have the right to voice it.. just be ware... you (and often me) will get kicked around a bit if you are vocal with your opinion (or humor)
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02/03/10 10:23 AM 02/03/10 10:23 AM |
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tampa, fl | I think he is speaking of voicing his opinion regarding the survey to US Sailing.
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Alachua, FL | LOL  You crack me up. I didn't say that I was a USSailing member ... only that I didn't receive a survey .... of course, they didn't send me one. I'm not a member. You're right though, I shouldn't have an opinion on something I'm not a part of. I am a member and I did not get the survey. Here is my response: Greetings: I have recently become aware that many of my friends in the Multihull community received email surveys from USSAILING. I however, did not receive the survey. I am concerned that you may not have the correct contact information for me. Would you please verify that you have the below information? My membership should also be related to the multihull Golden Anchor program. 654799E Thank you. Jack Woehrle [email protected]803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169
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02/03/10 10:28 AM 02/03/10 10:28 AM |
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I suppose that Jack is disingenuous to think that cat sailors are simply "sailors" and others can be "categorized" by "interest" like "dingy" or "keel boats".
Agreed. The survey wording contradicts the reasoning in his reply. Don´t be fooled by word tricks, if there is a dinghy and keelboat option, there should have been a catamarans or multihulls option either - not to mention windsurfers, kites and (why not?) foilers. I guess you all know that kites are also applying for the Olympics.
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02/03/10 10:34 AM 02/03/10 10:34 AM |
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Clermont, FL, USA | LOL You crack me up. I didn't say that I was a USSailing member ... only that I didn't receive a survey .... of course, they didn't send me one. I'm not a member. You're right though, I shouldn't have an opinion on something I'm not a part of. Terry, I didn't say you shouldn't have an opinion but your post implied USSailing dropped the ball and since this thread is laced with that kind of sentiment you can see how I could read your post that way don't you?
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Clermont, FL, USA | Agreed. The survey wording contradicts the reasoning in his reply. Don´t be fooled by word tricks, if there is a dinghy and keelboat option, there should have been a catamarans or multihulls option either - not to mention windsurfers, kites and (why not?) foilers.
I guess you all know that kites are also applying for the Olympics.
Nobody is fooled by anything! The guy clearly chose his words poorly, it's not the end of the freaking world!
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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02/03/10 10:42 AM 02/03/10 10:42 AM |
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Orlando, FL | you can see how I could read your post that way don't you?
No worries.
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Asuncion, Paraguay | So
Which category of sailing do you normally participate?
Select one:
One design dinghy racing
One design keelboat racing
Handicap racing
Team racing
Match racing
Day sailing
Coastal cruising
Ocean passage making
Other
...I don't think one design dinghy racing would have been to far of a stretch for me and anyone else who races cats...
It sounds reasonable, but it isn't - and US Sailing knows better than that. It is a mistake to mark "OD dinghy" if you sail a "SMOD multi" (Hobies, Nacras), a "formula multi" (F18, F16) or a "development multi" (Tornado, A Class). A proper survey would have included every possible equipment or replaced them all with "fleet racing", which would have been coherent with the remaining options. As it is, the survey excludes almost all fleet racing equipment (high performance dinghies, windsurfers, foilers, kites and multihulls) and almost all class types (OD, SMOD, development and formula), to focus exclusively on OD dinghies and keelboats - as if those were the only "real" boats. This is clearly the product of a short sighted writer with disorganized thoughts and quite evident biases. Don't excuse them, require a proper survey.
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Sebring, Florida. | Luiz, that is the part that botherd me, I was affraid that sometime down the road, US Sailing would come out with a statement to justify more "One Design Dinghy Racing" support, and squat for multihulls, "Based on the answers we recieved in our most recent survey..."
I only wonder why intead of a check box for "Other" they didn't allow a -wright in- box instead.
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Clermont, FL, USA | This is clearly the product of a short sighted writer with disorganized thoughts and quite evident biases. Don't excuse them, require a proper survey. What makes you think the request that survey be corrected hasn't been submitted?
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Branford, CT | More from US Sailing. This one kind of rubs me wrong, but at this point, I think I am going to let it go. Hi Karl – Thanks for taking the time to provide your comments. The multihull sailors certainly are passionate, as we received several comments from your colleagues. Let me present our thought process. Multihulls were considered when we were building this, but the approach was to categorize them into to the broader buckets. Possibly this was not the correct way to think about it. Nevertheless, our goals was to be brief and focused without slicing things too many ways. Towards this end, we may have omitted some options, and for this I apologize. The shortfall I guess was viewing multihull sailors as sailors, and not as a specific interest group or boat design. Our goal is inclusion rather than exclusion. We will store this experience for our future activities. Our plan is to run shorter, more focused studies on more regular basis, and we will certainly treat multihulls differently. Thank you again for your comments. Best, Jack Gierhart Associate Executive Director US SAILING [email protected] Congratulations Karl, you seem to have struck the right tone with them. But I find this repsonse just as disturbing and perhaps more so than the offending survey. "The shortfall I guess was viewing multihull sailors as sailors" At least you got a response. This is the same logic that Gary Bodie used to rationalize the removal of catamarans from the Olympics. Paraphrasing: "It's just a different boat" he said, "we're talking about dinghies and multihulls but we may as well be talking about red boats and blue boats. There is no difference. " | | | Re: us sailing survey
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Long Beach, California | The survey now has a multihull option.
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tampa, fl | Survey is fixed. In my e-mail is US Sailing's regular periodic newsletter. The survey is included and updated to include Multihulls. If you're a member, check it out. Now that we have the ability to be counted, lets make sure we are!!!!
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Sebring, Florida. | Sweet, did you say they sent out new surveys or do I have to go find it on the US Sailing web site?
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02/03/10 04:25 PM 02/03/10 04:25 PM |
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tampa, fl | The survey was in the E-Sailing e-mail, but I am sure it's on the website somewhere.
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02/03/10 04:30 PM 02/03/10 04:30 PM |
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Orlando, FL | I looked earlier on the US Sailing website for the survey and could only find results from 2006
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| Done. Thanks Beth.
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