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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Keith] #203151
02/12/10 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith

If A gets things figured out they have a chance. A tacking duel would suit them well.

I think BMW would win a tacking duel. BMW keeps their speed up much better

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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: mayhem] #203152
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try the bmworacle site

Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: pgp] #203153
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Originally Posted by pgp
Originally Posted by PTP
where can I watch the replay in HD?


http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/player?gameId=8378&sportCode=BT&league=Sailing

thanks. that is what I am watching but doesn't seem HD necessarily... at least not full screen

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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: PTP] #203154
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It seemed on the few tacks to the mark that A actually kept speed better (the first tack for either boat anyway) through the maneuver, IMO.



Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Keith] #203155
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uuuughhh. the only video I can find is bla, bla, bla press conferences. Anyone know where I can watch the start. I tried everywhere.

Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: mayhem] #203156
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After the presser from Alinghi, they'll be replaying the race on the BMWO feed.

Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: ThunderMuffin] #203158
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Love him or hate him Butterworth is funny. At least he's being honest. EB did have to bring up the sloop thing.
Isn't BMWO a sloop? The wing doesn't change the configuration.


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #203159
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Love him or hate him Butterworth is funny. At least he's being honest. EB did have to bring up the sloop thing.
Isn't BMWO a sloop? The wing doesn't change the configuration.


Can someone summarize the press conferences for me? I don't have time to watch them yet...not until I get snowed in tonight anyway.


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Jake] #203160
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BOR paraphrase: We still have 1 left to go and we're 110% focused on that.

A5 paraphrased: We have work to do. Alinghi seems to be humorous in their assbeating.

Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: ThunderMuffin] #203161
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Did that guy that EB was giving crap say he was from SA? It sure sounded like it, and EB was pretty cold. I was wondering if Clean and JC sent in a sleeper, since they were banned.


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #203162
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Just got this from Alinghi:

Originally Posted by Alinghi Press Release

Valencia, Spain - (2010-02-12)

Alinghi lost Race 1 of the 33rd America's Cup, a best-of-three series, today after a hard fought pre-start and a 40nm race. The Defender from the Société Nautique de Genève took an early lead onto the course, but didn't hold on to it.

"The crew work went well. The difference was the speed of the boats. The solution they have come up with on Oracle is very fast. It's pretty hard to beat them on a day like today," said Brad Butterworth, team skipper and tactician.

The race started at 14:35 in a southerly wind between 6 and 8 knots and flat sea, good conditions for the 90ft load waterline multihulls. The top mark was set at a bearing of 180 degrees, due south, 20nm to windward.

Alinghi, the port-tack yacht entering the start box, was penalised in the pre-start by the on-water umpires for failing to keep clear. But the Alinghi crew took the lead off the start line after BMW Oracle Racing got into “irons”, a predicament where the boat looses steerage.

"We never had a chance to cross them, so it was just one of those things. We tried to get across them but couldn't. When we realised that was the case we came up and tacked over and got a penalty. That was a bit surprising, but it didn't have an impact on the race in the end," said Butterworth.

Alinghi 5, with team president Ernesto Bertarelli at the helm, circled around the pin end and onto the race course for an early 1m27s lead, or approximately 660m. The catamaran held pace with the trimaran early, but eventually was overtaken. Alinghi was behind by 3m21s at the windward mark and 15m28s at the finish after performing a penalty turn for the pre-start infraction.

Looking forward to Sunday, Butterworth said: "As long as you've got a life you've got a chance. We will regroup and think about race two. Sunday's race will be a different sort of race. We'll see what conditions lend themselves. They looked pretty awesome upwind, and it was hard for us to hold them back. We'll have our work cut out."

Tomorrow is an off day as per the Deed of Gift, the America's Cup governing document, so racing will resume on Sunday 14 February weather permitting.

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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: mayhem] #203163
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Originally Posted by mayhem
Guys,

I just got home. How can I see the video. ESPN coverage seems to be USA only. Sailing Anarchy is down. The official AC33 site did not seem to have any video. Has interest been so big that it is taking down sites?

Try http://bmworacleracing.com/en/news/livestream/?track.refer=/en/index.html&track.type=home


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: SurfCityRacing] #203164
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Well that put it pretty mildly.


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #203166
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Did that guy that EB was giving crap say he was from SA? It sure sounded like it, and EB was pretty cold. I was wondering if Clean and JC sent in a sleeper, since they were banned.


I can't find the audio you're referring to, and I doubt my POS Mac would let me hear it anyway, but my conspiracy theory detector points to Matt Bounds. Anyone else notice how absent he's been this week? wink

Matt, if you are there, I'm very jealous.

Mike

Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: ThunderMuffin] #203167
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I think Alinghy's press conference was very well done. You guys have got to give Ernesto more credit then that. They were well proportioned in their statement and magnanimous even.

Wouter


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Wouter] #203169
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Thanks for the love guys. I think you fully missed it on this one.
JC

Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: brucat] #203170
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The guy said he was from sailing anarchy.de, German version or something, very heavy accent. Ernesto definitely didn't like him and was sarcastic as hell and kinda lost his cool. I guess JC would have said something if they had, but then again it's JC, sometimes I need a translator for his code.


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: mayhem] #203171
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It was a great race! I would have gotten fired at work for watching the race good thing I'm already fired! Ha!

I put off working on the TMS-20 to watch the race. Nice being my own boss now.

A did not seem dailed in at all, like I said before too much time filing court docs and not working on the boat.

BMWO was one with the wind! Will it be a two race cup?


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: TheManShed] #203173
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After watching both post race press conferences, and seeing the behavior of both teams, it makes me wonder if all the stress and BS leading up to this is what was making some of the players act up the way they did. Maybe they are more like us than we realize, in that, a day on the water clears the mind , strips away the haze and let's you focus on the important stuff.The BMWO guys were clearly respectful and pointed out repeatedly that "this is only one race". The Alinghi guys were for the most part respectful and almost seemed to have conceded. Brad Butterworth earned a lot of points in my book for really telling it like it was. I honestly didn't expect that. It's refreshing to see some modicum of sportsmanship, FINALLY. Let's hope it will last.
Here's a clip of BB coming into the dock and what he had to say.
Butterworth On Alinghi


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Re: America's Cup Countdown [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #203178
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Do they really need a headsail that overlaps the mainsail that much downwind? It seems like a piece of kit for chasing zephyrs on a lake.
We all probably oversheet our mainsails when flying spinnakers, but they seem to sacrificing any twist in the main to keep tension on the forestay.
With that big a slot, you are gonna have to keep the mainsail flat to stop it chocking
With a smaller downwind head sail, they could have a bit of camber and twist in the main which would take away the aggressive helming.

Geeeez, The rubbish that keeps me awake at night........................


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