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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: wildtsail] #203623
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Would be nice if we got new sails every other regata, some of the pros migh but due to alot of thier sails having to be branded uup thats often quite restricted.

Our main lasts us atleast a season, 2 kites a year if the first one is lookin tired after lots of use a 1 maybee if the first one is tirin 2 jibs

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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: NacraKid] #203685
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Can you put this in hours? How many hours do you sail a main / jib / spin until you feel they wear out?


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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: David Ingram] #203711
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I was going through two spinnakers and one jib a year, then a main every couple of years. That was when the Hobie Tiger was making the spinnaker out of a very light and seemingly stretchy material. At that time I was sailing most weekends and a couple of evenings during the week. I now have two spinnakers That have lasted more than a season. One is only used for racing. The other I use for pleasure sailing. I think the newer materials last longer but will probably try to get a new chute for the NAs.

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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Dan_Delave] #203882
02/19/10 05:57 AM
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I had a conversation with my sailmaker, sailing F18 himself, about this subject. Depending on how you treat the sails (pulling the cunningham, let it flutter in the wind, exposure to UV, storage) he assumes a life expectancy 100 to 150 hours, after that you'll sail not in the top group in regattas anymore. What I don't do anyway ...


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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Baltic] #203914
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Just made this decision, C2! We sailed a Cap for a few years, loved it, put us in the fight for top NA spots (which we then gave back due to our own "grey matter"). The boat was great, had no issues, had a great opportunity to sell it and get a C2 (which looks to have improved on the only tough time to sail a Cap, downwind in big chop and breeze), so we did.

Fortunately new boats come with new sails! I generally believe that in what I have seen in NA to be fighting for the top 10% you need the newest kite you can afford, a jib that is new that season, and a main that looks like it is new, but is maybe two years old.

A good analogy I have comes from racing road bikes.... You can spend an extra $5k to shave 2 grams from the weight of your bike... or you can loos 5 pounds by eating 2 less grams of fat.... what would you rather focus on? Brand new sails are always faster, but until they are the reason you are not winning the race, focus on sailing better ;-) (and never rag yours sails, even to try your kite, bad bad bad)

(that said, if anyone wants a set of Cap main and jib used for only one week of sailling, message me)

Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: maritimesailor] #203981
02/20/10 12:16 PM
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Pat.. BRAND new sails are not always faster.. they need to be broken in a bit smile
I'll take those cap sails off your hands.. not sure what i'll do with them but for free what the hell smile

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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: wildtsail] #204010
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Originally Posted by wildtsail
Pat.. BRAND new sails are not always faster.. they need to be broken in a bit smile
I'll take those cap sails off your hands.. not sure what i'll do with them but for free what the hell smile


This is much less the case with mains and jibs... they take one race where you max out the Cunningham then there good. Spinnakers on the other hand, just get better over the first two regattas as they stretch in. In fact, if we have a new spinnaker at the start of a major regatta we'll get it full wet and then do a practice down wind just to stretch it in a little quicker.

Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Brett Goodall] #204047
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Ahhhhh so that is what you were up to at the taipan nats! I lost count of how many times you guys went "full wet" smile


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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Dazz] #204133
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ha ha.... only twice.... but it was the same wave on consecutive laps

Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Brett Goodall] #204208
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Originally Posted by Brett Goodall
Originally Posted by wildtsail
Pat.. BRAND new sails are not always faster.. they need to be broken in a bit smile
I'll take those cap sails off your hands.. not sure what i'll do with them but for free what the hell smile

I agree... I was speaking more of in sails in general (since most are dacron) just to give Pat a hard time.
Interesting concept on wetting the spinnaker... I would think in light air having a dryer spinnaker would be more important and in heavy air it would stretch out on it's own pretty fast, I guess the wetting definitely would induce that.
This is much less the case with mains and jibs... they take one race where you max out the Cunningham then there good. Spinnakers on the other hand, just get better over the first two regattas as they stretch in. In fact, if we have a new spinnaker at the start of a major regatta we'll get it full wet and then do a practice down wind just to stretch it in a little quicker.

Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: wildtsail] #204220
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There is one small hole in the theory... some kites don't like getting full wet for the first time...


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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Dazz] #204247
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My infusion spinny pole didn't like it either, when the spinny got full of water on the boats 1st sail


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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: wildtsail] #204676
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yes yes, sail them a bit first, I like giving them a few days of training (if not a week), but that has more to do with making sure the cut is the same as the old (or if not, changing my mast to match the new cut).

Kites, yeah, first two days gets them to the right shape, after that you have about 10 minutes of a perfect kite, then they start degrading.... ;-) Or maybe that is just because of the force I put on it while pulling it down.....

As for my cap sails, never said they were free ;-)

Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: maritimesailor] #205566
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I started this thread so I should probably finish it. I had the hard decision on my hands of choosing what F18 I would sail in 2010. I had a great time, great year, and fantastic experience sailing the Nacra Infusion in 2009. I love the design, I love the way it feels. It's fast in light air, its fast in heavy air, and its fast in-between. For 2010 I decided to go with the AHPC C2. For those that know me, they know I debated back and forth many times between the three majors. I'm not gonna beat around the bush here....I'm not gonna try and sugar coat this like so many seem to do on this site. I decided to go with the C2 because in the end it seemed like I got the most bang for my buck. I got the most amount of "Extras", with a very high quality build, for the least amount of money. This was my perception. Not everyone is going to come to the same conclusion. That's what this whole post was supposed to be about. I was interested in what others perceptions were of the different manufactures products. It seemed like *most* folks were almost afraid to write about what their perceptions were...So there we have it.

Let's all have a great year on whatever F18 we chose to sail. Every single F18 on the market has its positives and negatives and every boat is on the same level playing field. That's why I love this class!!! Good luck!


Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: iansammis] #205580
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Originally Posted by iansammis

Let's all have a great year on whatever F18 we chose to sail. Every single F18 on the market has its positives and negatives and every boat is on the same level playing field. That's why I love this class!!! Good luck!


Wise words and I fully agree!
Kai


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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: Baltic] #205679
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AHPC support is great too. I bought a demo Capricorn this January and I have been nothing but delighted with the boat, the build quality, the rigging and the customer support.



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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: BoK] #205747
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Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: NacraKid] #221809
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Originally Posted by NacraKid


The WildCat, i don't like the design of them, they seem to lack volume in the bow, at the windy races at the worlds at lot of teams didnt look comfortable on them.


Anyone care to elaborate on this comment? Looking to buy a wildcat...

Re: What F18 would you buy? [Re: tiger1070] #221817
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Here's video of all of the top 3 in High Winds and Chop. These are from the recent West Coast Championships in San Francisco Bay

West Coast Championships 2010 .

Watch the videos and decide for yourself.



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