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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: mbounds] #208624
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I assume Performance and Falcon were asked as well?

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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: ] #208638
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Am I getting confused or does that mean AHPC will be supplying the boats three years in a row? And Viper two out three? Are the US and other builders just not interested?


And you know what is even better ?

This means that three times F16's will have been used in as much as 4 years !

Blade F16 in 2007
Capricorn F18 in 2008
Viper F16 in 2009
Viper F16 in 2010

What's next Falcon F16's in 2011 ?

YEAH !

Well done AHPC and Fun in the Sun for renewing their support of the Alter Cup event.


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It's not a question of interest - it's a question of being able to sell the boats after the events


And by now we all know that F16's sell. I think all Alter Cup F16's were pre-sold well before the event even started.

Wouter


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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: Wouter] #208644
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This year-2010 is on the C2 not the Viper. And 2011 is on the Viper.

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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: Joanna] #208648
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I stand corrected !

Thanks Joanna !

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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: Wouter] #208650
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You stand correctED.

If you stood correct then you would have been factually correct in your initial assessment. Go watch more Star Trek!

Re: F16 Nationals [Re: ThunderMuffin] #208652
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Back to drilling with ya.


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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: ThunderMuffin] #208653
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All but one of the C2's are sold.


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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: Timbo] #208677
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Speaking of which: John Williams annouced at the F 16 N/A's that the next Alter Cup will be held on Vipers, at the Los Altimos (?) [could one of you west coast guys fix that if I goofed it up] Yacht Club, in San Diego (?).

WOW! All kinds of wrong. I will fix it:
Alamitos Bay Yacht Club
Long Beach, CA

We held the F18s NAs last Sept. The lightest wind day was 8 to 10 and the heaviest was 18 to 22. Great event and almost always a great venue

Later,
Dan DeLave @ ABYC

Re: F16 Nationals [Re: mbounds] #208681
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Originally Posted by mbounds
Originally Posted by MarkMT
Am I getting confused or does that mean AHPC will be supplying the boats three years in a row? And Viper two out three? Are the US and other builders just not interested?


It's not a question of interest - it's a question of being able to sell the boats after the events. Since the Alter Cup committee has shown a distaste for the Hobie 16 (and presumably the Wave), those boats are out - for the time being. Hobie is not (yet) going to supply Wildcats, since they are selling all they can import. Tigers are dead - there's not a hope in hell of selling 10 of them this year. There's not much else left besides AHPC products.


Not all of members of the AC committee are against the H16, but you are correct and there is a significant bias. The Hobie Wave was seriously considered but the Viper seemed an obvious choice.

As for the other providers... we would love to be put in a position of having to choose but from I've seen to date we are lucky to simply have someone step up and say they will do it, and for the past 3 years it's been Fun In the Sun/AHPC. Yes there was Hobie 16 offer but that was before my time



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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: David Ingram] #208685
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Dave, looks like you are on the committee - what are the chances of getting a couple of singlehanded races included in 2011? What's the appropriate way for us to make a request for that?

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Originally Posted by MarkMT
Dave, looks like you are on the committee - what are the chances of getting a couple of singlehanded races included in 2011? What's the appropriate way for us to make a request for that?


You've just done it. I'll put on the agenda for the next conference call.


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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: ] #208688
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The last time the N20 was the Alter Cup boat they all sold I thought. Hmmm might that be the method for selling new N20s...


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Re: F16 Nationals [Re: David Ingram] #208691
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Excellent - thanks.

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