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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: Mark Schneider] #209286
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
.... get a Nacra 6.0 Na and a Supercat 22 measured some time this season....
To the best of my knowledge, the Nacra 6.0NA is gone. John B. picked up Jim Gannon's N20 and joined WRSC. Hooray for John!!!


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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: Kris Hathaway] #209287
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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
.... get a Nacra 6.0 Na and a Supercat 22 measured some time this season....
To the best of my knowledge, the Nacra 6.0NA is gone. John B. picked up Jim Gannon's N20 and joined WRSC. Hooray for John!!!


I was thinking of Keith's other boat actually.

the more time passes... the less likely one of these old boats will show up to race.... Nobody is campaigning one either so an estimated rating is probably good enough. These ratings are not urgently needed.

Again... the idea is to get the sailors with these old boats out to a race or two ... catch the bug... and upgrade to a one design boat.... Just like John Baker!

FYI, the Chesapeake's first Portsmouth Regatta is Hobie fleet 32's Sail the Bay regatta at the end of may. They will have an open class. Followed up by Rock Hall in June... running a spin and non spin open class.


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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: Mark Schneider] #209310
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Carl Reigart from Birmingham, AL was just volunteered a couple weeks ago to take over the dubious task of crunching the numbers that Darlene used to handle. Welcome him aboard -

http://offshore.ussailing.org/Home/Committees_and_Councils/North_American_Portsmouth_Committee.htm

Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: JMAC] #209329
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Originally Posted by JMAC
Carl Reigart from Birmingham, AL was just volunteered a couple weeks ago to take over the dubious task of crunching the numbers that Darlene used to handle. Welcome him aboard -

http://offshore.ussailing.org/Home/Committees_and_Councils/North_American_Portsmouth_Committee.htm

Best of luck to him. Those are some big shoes to fill.


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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #209337
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I know Carl, he's got big feet...

Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: mikekrantz] #209339
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
I know Carl, he's got big feet...


You know what they say about big feet..... big socks.


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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: JMAC] #209340
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Thank You Carl!


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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: mikekrantz] #209345
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
I know Carl, he's got big feet...

That's good to hear. I'm glad he's doing this.
Thanks Carl.

Todd Hart


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Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: Mark Schneider] #209359
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Kris

You are right... there are small differences on the water between the rating systems currently. I don't expect any regattas to change in their outcome if we switch.


All this talk about SCHRS not working for the A-Class made me nervous so, just for grins I did a quick comparison. I checked to see if there was a direct relationship between SCHRS and Ports. That means can you multiply SCHRS by a constant a constant and get a Ports number. The answer was not really. If I ignore the F16 I can get a fair conversion with Ports = SCHRS * M + constant. So the 2 systems are biased differently.

Next I said, I have a bunch of boats that all have a corrected time of 60 mins. To me this means if I had identical perfect skippers all sailing the boats to their rating, how many minutes behind the fastest boat would their raw time be:

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	                      Delta Port  Delta SCHRS
Tornado (classic)	           0	      0
F18	                         1.08	     4.2
F16	                         1.44	     4.38
Acat (Flyer)	                 2.34	     2.64
TheMightyHobie18	                         6.48	     7.5
H16	                         9.24	    12.6
Wave	                        18.9	    32.7


There are some small changes for the fast boats. The F16 and F18 will enjoy a small advantage over the A-Class, but the changes get bigger when you get to the slower boats.

This is not a Scientific Comparison, I am not going to argue about it but if looks to me like if you go to SCHRS slow heavy boats are gonna rule. I'm bringing a WAVE.

Re: US Portsmouth Committe update?? [Re: carlbohannon] #209369
04/23/10 10:45 AM
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Very interesting. You can interpret this as revealing either differences in the relative skills of people sailing different classes or limitations in the way SCHRS accounts for the factors that determine the performance of these classes.

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