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EURO CAT #209987
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First day racing saw 4 races in slowly strengthening winds.

The F16 are included in the C1 Class.

EuroCat C1 Class Results

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What a difference a talented crew makes !

The intermediate standings show

Carolijn Brouwer/Liz Wardley at 1st place overall with 4 bullets

Chris Sproat/Georgina Burke at 3rd place overall with 4th, 3rd, 3rd and 7th place.

Gill de Bruyne/Kathleen van den Bulcke at 8th overall with 14th, 8th, 8th and 8th placing


That in a fleet of 51 boats (that have completed at least one race). The results do already include one strike-out.

Of course things may change but the start is very good. I'm personally especially impressed by Gill and Kathleen.

Very well done to all !

Wouter


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Great sailing yesterday at Carnac! Carolijn is very fast, it shows she's an olympic! In the last race we managed to get 2nd at the upwind mark (right behind a tornado) but then our spin halyard got stuck so we immediately lost 3 places :-( We finished this last lap as 5th over the line and on compensated time we got an 8th and that's our overall score for yesterday too. We are very pleased with the boat speed. Looking forward to tomorrow, with 4 BFT predicted it should be again a very cool sailing day!


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The 2Bsailing all girl team on the Viper F16 set themselves a high goal for this years Carnac event (2010)

http://www.2bsailing.eu/news/news-downloads/Eurocat-Viper.pdf

And I quote (29 april 2010):

"Brouwer and Wardley have jumped at the chance to reunite on the water for a shot at creating history in the three-day Eurocat regatta in France from friday. "No all-female crew has ever won the Eurocat regatta," said Brouwer ... we thought it would be fun to take on the boys at their own game for a change"


The final result for this year Carnac in the C1 fleet is as follows.

1st Carolijn Brouwer / Liz Wardley Viper F16 - 7 points total : 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st 2nd, 1st, 3rd (one strike-out)
2nd Chris Sproat / Georgina Burke Viper F16 - 14 points total : 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 7th, 1st, 2nd, 1st
3rd Adam Butler / Nikki Boniface Spitfire - 24 points total : 5th, 4th, 6th, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 2nd
4th Gildas Griziaux / Frederique Leaute Viper F16 - 26 points : 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 7th, 5th, 20th
5th Phillipe Thareau / Claire Berranger Viper F16 - 34 points in total : 7th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, DNF, 4th, 11th
...
9th Gill de Bruyne / Kathleen van den Bulcke Falcon F16 - 57 points total : 14th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 15th, 7th, 12th


That means all 5 F16's have ended up in the top 10 (4 F16's in the top 5 !) of a competitive 54 boats racing fleet; with Brouwer/Wardley achieving what they set out to do.

I say "Mission Accomplished" for the all girl team Brouwer/Wardley !


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congrats to all crews..

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For more pictures of all classes go to :

http://www.littoral-ouest-photos.co...PSESSID=269930ef692102b76400a30f76cfb65e

and for the final result listing (without boat types) go to :

http://www.yccarnac.com/usa/regates/eurocat/eurocat-2010-resultats-c1-c3-c4.html


The other 2Bsailing team of Darren Bundock and Will Howden finished at 2nd place over in the 110 boat strong F18 fleet. Mischa Heemskerk and Bastiaan Tentij snatching 1st spot with only 1 point difference.

1st Mischa Heemskerk / Bastiaan Tentij 14 points : 3rd, 1st, bfd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 4th, 1st
2nd Darren Bundock / Will Howden 15 points : 1st, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 3rd
3rd Mitch Booth / Pim Nieuwenhuis 29 points : 5th, 7th, 1st, 43th, 4th, 5th, 3rd, 4th

http://www.yccarnac.com/usa/regates/eurocat/eurocat-2010-resultats-f18.html

A very good start for 2Bsailing I say.

Wouter

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congrats to all crews..



Indeed congratulations to all crews and many thanks for putting F16 on the map in France in such a fashion !

Wouter


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Just curious.... What handicap was the Viper sailing under?

The 104 or F16 or the Viper???

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Originally Posted by HJS
Just curious.... What handicap was the Viper sailing under?

The 104 or F16 or the Viper???


Viper Handicap I assume.


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Yeah that is most likely the case.


BTW; just as additional info to interested readers

SCHRS Viper Double 1.035
SCHRS Formula 16 1.008 (rating used by the Falcon F16)
SCHRS Spitfire standard 1.044
SCHRS Spitfire Sport 1.038

The rating difference between the Viper F16 and say the Falcon F16 is 2.68 points or 96 second per full hour of bouy racing.

The new Spitfire Sport has a slightly larger mainsail (from 15,41 to 15.58 sq.mtr) and a larger spinnaker (From 17.60 to 19.20 sq. mtr.). By rating this difference (between the two Spitfire versions) results in only 0.58 points or 21 seconds per full hour of racing. The rating difference between the Viper F16 and Spitfire (both versions) are respectively 0.87 points = 31 sec/hour and 0.29 points = 10 sec/hour

The differences are rather small.

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Ok...

I'm going to play devils advocate...

Would that have changed the standings if they would have used the F16 rating?


Again, just playing devils advocate....


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Congratualtions to all the F16 sailors.


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Would that have changed the standings if they would have used the F16 rating?



I think the Falcon F16 was the fastest rated boat in the whole fleet so the position of Gill and Kathleen can only improve if different handicap is used.

Other then that I think the 5 bullets in 7 races by Carolijn and Liz sort of suggests that they didn't depend to much on their handicap number. Chris and Georgina are always fast (high scores) no matter on what boat type they are so same reasoning there I guess.

We may find that things would turn out only slightly different under F16 ratings as most boats in the top 10 are Viper F16's and would all get the same mods, thus leaving their relative placings unaffected.

Personally, I don't see the 3rd place Spitfire with 24 points jump to second place (at 14 points); the gap seems to big for that.

Wouter


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We'll, we just got home from the event and here is a short report: http://bladef16.blogspot.com/2010/05/eurocat-2010.html

Concerning the Vipers, they sailed the 104 rating, but as Wouter says the results wouldn't haven't been that different with the other rating. In three of the races we finished before some of the Vipers and were rated behind. Not different enough to change the result though.

Anyway I find it a pity for the class that there was only one F16 there officially, being us on the Falcon, but I guess none of the owners had a certificate to race as F16.

We we had a great time and I hope to see MORE F16 next year!

Gill


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Well done Mate. The new boat must go very well. Good report as well. Whats next for you guys?



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Another good report:

FEMALE "LIGHTWEIGHTS" CREATE HISTORY IN SEASON OPENER

http://www.2bsailing.eu/news/eurocat-viper-and-c2-f18.htm

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Originally Posted by Gilo

Concerning the Vipers, they sailed the 104 rating,

Gill


" Barely 120 kilo dripping wet, the catamaran lightweights excelled in a variety of conditions to claim the 16-foot division " ( B2 blurb )

And that is the problem for handicap systems, penalise the light boats but make no allowance for the very light weight crew, something SCHRS should be capable of dealing with relatively easily smile

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And that is the problem for handicap systems, penalise the light boats but make no allowance for the very light weight crew, something SCHRS should be capable of dealing with relatively easily



I personally think they were actually DISADVANTAGED at 120 kg on a F16.

As such there is no need to penalized them further.

Wouter


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