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Do you fear the turtle? #210212
05/04/10 11:21 AM
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Just curious.

Do you?

The swimming or embarrassment is not so much of problem. Probable cost of damage to mast and sails and other rigging in water under 30' is.

Even an "unflippable" Farrier tri has.

Do you see a need for mast tip flotation when you are not racing?

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Many monohull classes preach the need for mast flotation but cat sailors not as much that I can see.

Hobie's Bobs overrule any turtle worries, but they don't fit on all brands. Even though they appear on other brands...

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The thought of mounting more hardware to the mast end seems messy.




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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: JJ_] #210215
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Seal your mast and a "hobie bob" isn't necessary.

Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: ThunderMuffin] #210218
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Seal your mast and a "hobie bob" isn't necessary.


No Tad that is not correct. If you stick it hard in choppy seas going downwind you will turtle quickly regardless of how well your mast is sealed.


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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: David Ingram] #210220
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Putting your weight in the wrong place (intentionally or not) will also cause turtling.

I can't imagine why a Hobie Bob couldn't be made to fit on any mast of any boat, it should be just a matter of adapting a bracket.

Mike

Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: JJ_] #210221
05/04/10 12:09 PM
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It is also a positive safety issue to be able to invert the boat.

If there is a capsize and one of the crew gets separated from his boat that is now doing 5 knots on its side, the crew should force the turtle to allow him to swim to the boat.

It may also be preferable to be on a turtled boat in an extreme weather event like hailstones or lightening, or if one of the crew is badly injured or needs picking up from a chopper.

Always look on the bright side hey?

Paul


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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: TEAMVMG] #210222
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Are you a Turtle?


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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: IndyWave] #210230
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Maybe what you need is an easiy removable Hobie Bob. If you need to turtle, you can swim out to the mast head and remove it.

Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: DHO] #210231
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or that inflatable system that you can choose to deploy or not...


Jay

Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #210233
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or one of these
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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: IndyWave] #210235
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Are you a Turtle?


"Bet your sweet a$$"

Willing to bet not many folks know about that one.
Rick


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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: IndyWave] #210237
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Originally Posted by IndyWave
Are you a Turtle?

Only when its cold. grin


If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one
Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: ksurfer2] #210240
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SE Pa. or Chesapeak Bay
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Only the "Snapping" varity ..... but they do make good soup!!!

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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: JJ_] #210242
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Originally Posted by JJ_

Do you fear the turtle?


Just the peeking variety.

Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: RickWhite] #210248
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Willing to bet not many folks know about that one.
Rick


I'll bite. How much of a turtle/terrapin were you?

So, J, dude, changed a few Huggies, eh?

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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: JJ_] #210249
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Trogg yes. Turtle, no.


Race cheap, race faster, Damnit!

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I like turtles [Re: FasterDamnit] #210252
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Re: I like turtles [Re: arbo06] #210258
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Re: I like turtles [Re: Jake] #210263
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My friend hit a turtle with his nacra 5.8 in northern QLD. split the bow wide open... good reason to fear the turtle!


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Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: RickWhite] #210273
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Many years ago when racing a Prindle 16 a sailor named Jim Pate taught me a very good trick. We had gone over during a race (not a pitchpole) to the weather mark. He instructed me to help him turn the boat to a turtle position and continue to right the boat, actually doing a 360. The result was when the boat was righted we were going in the proper direction on the same tack as before the flip and did not lose as much time or distance as we would have if we turned the boat while it was on its side into the wind to right and then tack or gybe to head back toward the weather mark. I was surprised how easy and quick this worked. Not sure if it would work with the newer high tech cats. We were in the Pacific Ocean so we had plenty of water to accomplish this.

Re: Do you fear the turtle? [Re: RickWhite] #210280
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Originally Posted by RickWhite
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Are you a Turtle?


"Bet your sweet a$$"

Willing to bet not many folks know about that one.
Rick


I'll buy you a beer Rick!


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