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Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: Jake] #213072
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Thank you to all that have responded to this question. I have learned quite a bit and I agree the 14 in those conditions was a very interesting and informative ride, I learned quite a bit on Sunday. Earlier in the day I had stuffed the bows as far as I think I could with out pitching. When I was finally able to let the mainsheet out, water was coming over the tramp haha. Once again thank you all and everything that has been said makes complete sense.


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Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: soccerguy83] #213079
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One of the recently deceased basketball coaching great, John Wooden's, quotes is "Be quick, but don't hurry". He could have been couching a jibe.

Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: soccerguy83] #213081
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The best way to learn this is to go out in conditions that are a little windier than you are comfortable with and practice the maneuver until it IS comfortable. You want to "stretch" your comfort envelope a little at a time so that each step is manageable. You can climb a tall, steep mountain with many small steps, grasshopper.

This is a good technique for anyone - determine your weaknesses and work on them in the conditions where they start to show up. Get Rick White's book and read it also. Yes, it has been a while since it was written but most of the info about technique stays the same.

Last note: This is another reason why racing is so valuable to learning quickly - it encourages you to go out in conditions that you might otherwise not sail in and accumulates lots of experience and advice in a friendly gathering for your quick ascent up that mountain of a learning curve!

Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: Jake] #213083
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Originally Posted by Jake
Andrew - make sure to have a stopper knot on your traveler line so you're not relying on the plastic stops on the beam...the stopper knot will hit the cleat fairlead and stop the traveler. The stoppers don't really take much of a joke.


Thanks Jake. i have corrected that by simply connecting the traveler and main sheet so it can't go full travel. but great idea for anyone who doesn't connect their lines.

ps mystere's have no plastic stoppers.. just the beam bolt heads, perfect for shearing!

Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: Mike Fahle] #213092
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Originally Posted by Mike Fahle
The best way to learn this is to go out in conditions that are a little windier than you are comfortable with and practice the maneuver until it IS comfortable. You want to "stretch" your comfort envelope a little at a time so that each step is manageable. You can climb a tall, steep mountain with many small steps, grasshopper.

This is a good technique for anyone - determine your weaknesses and work on them in the conditions where they start to show up. Get Rick White's book and read it also. Yes, it has been a while since it was written but most of the info about technique stays the same.

Last note: This is another reason why racing is so valuable to learning quickly - it encourages you to go out in conditions that you might otherwise not sail in and accumulates lots of experience and advice in a friendly gathering for your quick ascent up that mountain of a learning curve!


It's impossible to determine the exact position of "the limit" unless you exceed it on occasion.


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Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: soccerguy83] #213093
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Originally Posted by soccerguy83
When I was finally able to let the mainsheet out, water was coming over the tramp haha.

Don't cleat the main unless your spi is up or you are gybing.
I center the traveller during gybes only with spi. If you keep your speed, you can push the main just by grabbing in the sheet between the blocks. YOur sail and battens will say thank you.

Cheers,

Klaus

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Originally Posted by Smiths_Cat
Originally Posted by soccerguy83
When I was finally able to let the mainsheet out, water was coming over the tramp haha.

Don't cleat the main unless your spi is up or you are gybing.
I center the traveller during gybes only with spi. If you keep your speed, you can push the main just by grabbing in the sheet between the blocks. YOur sail and battens will say thank you.

Cheers,

Klaus


Oooo...agreed - spinnaker sailing is different in this regard...you do want the main mostly centered. I should have made that distinction.


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Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: Mike Fahle] #213102
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Originally Posted by Mike Fahle
This is another reason why racing is so valuable to learning quickly - it encourages you to go out in conditions that you might otherwise not sail in and accumulates lots of experience and advice in a friendly gathering for your quick ascent up that mountain of a learning curve!
Amen


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Hey Andrew, You can cut two small pieces of carpet and fold them over, make a hole for the beam bolt in each one, and then attach them to the inside of the ends of the traveller. The car will slam into that instead of the bolts and they are easy, cheap, effective bumpers. I do use the traveller knot trick to prevent it in the first place so this is belts and suspenders. Anything to prevent or control the slamming is a good thing.

Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: Mike Fahle] #213234
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not sure what you mean "attach them to the inside of the ends of the traveler", but cool idea to make bumpers.

do you mean on the traveler car? if so why make holes for the bolts? If not, i am not sure where you are suggesting to attach them...

as i said above, not an issue for me anymore since i have a knot as well (the knot is what attaches to my main)

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Take the inside beam bolts out and put them back in through the holes in the carpet bumbers.....

Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: Mike Fahle] #213255
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gotcha, thanks

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Much safer to put a stopper knot in the traveller rope.


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Originally Posted by scooby_simon
Much safer to put a stopper knot in the traveller rope.

vs. using a knot in conjunction with the main?

or using the carpet method mentioned?

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That's why I wrote "I do use the traveller knot trick to prevent it in the first place so this is belts and suspenders. Anything to prevent or control the slamming is a good thing."

Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: ] #213538
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by scooby_simon
Much safer to put a stopper knot in the traveller rope.

vs. using a knot in conjunction with the main?

or using the carpet method mentioned?


Just use the knot. The traveller car is not made for side impacts with anything; even if covered with carpet


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Re: Gybing in high wind [Re: scooby_simon] #213553
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I know that you should alert other boats in the area of your intended gybe.

The proper terminology to be used in the situation you describe is:

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