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Ok here is my problem with this whole oil spill thing #213310
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(1). BP this is a company with absolutely unlimited resources. This company makes so much money that they could buy a small country. Y is it that they have not trained for something like this? You know youíre drilling at 5000í so I think you should know how to stop a leak at 5000í before you should be able to start drilling!! A company this large should be able to have stopped this leek in a few days not a few months. In my opinion itís pathetic that BP is failing so hard to stop this leek. Win all they had to do was be prepared for something to happen before it happens. Training is key!!!

(2) The press. The press is ridicules all they do is report all the bad stuff. I run one of the parasail boats out on the beach. All day yester day we had people telling us that they were close to cancelling their trips to Pensacola and moving to other places. Because the news was talking about how bad it is!!! Then they get here to find itís not that bad yet. Granted this whole thing is BPís falt the press is playing there part in killing us as well!!!


(3) The president of the United States of America!!!
This is the weakest prez we have ever had. This man needes to stop trying to run for office! (Youíre in man stop trying to make yourself look good) every time he is on TV I feel like he is trying to boost his own approval rating. thatís all he seems to care about. We need to hit BP with the hammer of Thor and put the fear of the full force of the United States government in them!!!!! Obama stop being a pussy and let them have it!!!!!!


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Re: Ok here is my problem with this whole oil spill thing [Re: BadLatitude1337] #213312
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Well, I liked his viewpoint in #3.


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Re: Ok here is my problem with this whole oil spill thing [Re: BadLatitude1337] #213315
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This thing is a clusterphuck of epic proportions and I feel for all those affected by this disaster.

How can so many people screw things up in such a royal way is beyond reality and there better be some "heads on stick" when this is done.

Your third point, what pisses me off that many of these people are the same that criticized the last president on the Katrina disaster, but yet they are no better themselves.

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bp does not have unlimited resources. the US brach has 29 billion in cash (publicly traded companies must disclose their balance sheets)

i heard the estimate of 40 billion for the clean up (obviously premature to have any idea)
this tells me they will go bankrupt before they can pay that whole tab. and i am sure their HQ (britan) would rather close the US branch than pay the entire tab.

also they had a blow out preventer. that is all that was required (as i hear it). heck they even had batteries in the blow out preventer (dead ones as i hear it).

i hear there is other hardware that could have been used, but not required and the cost (500,000) is to high... so they would rather take their chances... i doubt they feel the same way now.

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Geez, do not blame Obama for anything, he does not have the reigns on this POS. BP and the rig operators are to blame, probably more the operators than BP. My issue is that I think that they could have already capped this bitch but they are trying to keep the well viable for future profit.
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Originally Posted by arbo06
Geez, do not blame Obama for anything, he does not have the reigns on this POS. BP and the rig operators are to blame, probably more the operators than BP. My issue is that I think that they could have already capped this bitch but they are trying to keep the well viable for future profit.
Eric

So you think the future value of production from this one well is worth the $90 billion in reduction of share holder value then?


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Re: Ok here is my problem with this whole oil spill thing [Re: BadLatitude1337] #213332
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I feel for you guys. Unfortunatley i cant see BP coming to the party and paying anywhere near the true cost of the spill to the people they have effected. Even if they could afford it they wont do it.

The upper management of those oil companies are dead set criminals in my opinion. They have no morals and can do what they want protected by company law and a shitload of cash.

I believe if they act like criminals destroying the planet on which we all live and worse, peoples livelihoods, then they should be treated like criminals. The CEO and a few upper management cronies of BP US should be held personally responsible. If they aren't, then nothing will change and this will happen again. Maybe Worse.

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Agree Aido. In fact I'm heading up to the Great Sandy Straits tomorrow for three days of stretching out my string laminates before the B**t**ds find oil up there.
Guess I'll just have to make do with a not so stiff platform though laugh

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Ha ha, Sounds like fun!


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Aido, I don't agree.
The people at the top of BP are really guys 'n gals just like you and me. Put us in their place and who says we'd have done any better? Who was it that said: "All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely..." Well, I agree, to a large extent these peoples reactions are shaped by their powerful positions and the impossible balancing act of influences that this entails.
Just be thankful you are not in their shoes. I know I am. (thankful, that is!) Its alway so easy to "de-humanize" the enemy, but that never solves anything, it doesn't get to the root cause, which is the love of power.


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What would you have had this administration done differently in response to the spill?


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BP are leasing the rig in situ. Anyone bothered to find out who from? the answer is a company called Transocean - which is American. Whilst BP are responsible for the management of the drilling operation, Transocean are responsible for the supply of the rig to meet the relevant standards, which includes a working BLOW-OUT PREVENTER!
BP are manning up to the overall resposibilty for the spill, but you can bet that they will be hitting Transocean pretty hard for leasing them crappy equipment.
I've heard that Transocean have faulty BOPs on two of their other rigs
Mr President needs to stop picking on BP and take a look in his own backyard.


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As much as I'd like to lump it on the President - and I will for other things - I can't fault him for staying out. I'd really like to know what exactly the government could be doing in this situation that BP isn't. I'm sure if the Feds had a panacea to this leaking well - it would have been used a long time ago regardless of whether BP had operational control or not.

What I will blame the President for is his typical knee-jerk reactionary mandate against all offshore drilling 500' or deeper. For 50 years, the drilling industry has been running a safe operation in the Gulf. One horrible mistake and now more than 100,000 jobs could be affected.

I know first hand from a friend who is consulting for an oil services company that is active in the gulf that these rigs cannot sit still for even a month - and his clients are relocating their rigs to western africa if the mandate persists.

With today's economy in the shambles that its in - can we really afford, both in terms of decreased domestic supply, and labor force, to live with this mandate?

Also - BP does not have limitless resources. It might seem like it to you - but a problem of this scale will drain even the biggest coffers. BP will be driven to bankruptcy and good luck getting any claims from them then.

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i don't blame the President but i would like to see our govt do more.

What more? Well i am no expert, not even a close but why aren't there 100000 boats skimming? why aren't there 150 "straws" sucking up what is spewing out of the pipes now?

why did they give up so fast on the "cover" that froze up? we are currently pumping hot water in the straw to avoid it from freezing.. why couldn't that be done in the cover?

why are we allowing the use of dispersant? doesn't that make cleanup harder? and further toxify the gulf?

why aren't we/they/them managing the booms better (its being reported that oil filled booms are now causing more harm then good)

why aren't we trying things like hair booms? straw?

why is BP controlling the coast guard and police (if the reporting is correct)?

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Remember - the Media is the most agenda=driven entity in the modern world. Just take whatever they say with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Certainly the clean up effort has been lacking incredibly.

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Remember - the Media is the most agenda=driven entity in the modern world. Just take whatever they say with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Certainly the clean up effort has been lacking incredibly.

I take everything i read in print and everything i hear from the media with a grain of skepticism. that is why i often add disclaimers such (if reporting is correct)

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Originally Posted by andrewscott


What more? Well i am no expert, not even a close but why aren't there 100000 boats skimming? why aren't there 150 "straws" sucking up what is spewing out of the pipes now?


I might agree with you on that - the problem is, where do those 100,000 boats come from? Where does their skimming equipment come from? Clearly nobody really anticipated this (which is a large part of the problem). I bet the boom and dispersant manufacturing companies are working around the clock and that it's really tough to get equipment to work with (we're not hearing about that - which is odd).

Personally, I don't know what else the administration could do once the rig went down - but I'm not really excited about the public approach they have taken. Everything has just become so politically polarized that I see more effort spent on positioning and appearance than doing and getting done. I don't care to go into the who's or why's of that statement.

As far as the moratorium on offshore drilling - it needs to be in place until the safety practices and oversight can be fixed...until shear rams and safety valves and safety practices can be verified as operational. The failure of the safety policies and the oversight coupled with (IMHO) one person's bad decision making on that rig led to this. The oversight issues have been brewing for a decade or better.


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Remember - the Media is the most agenda=driven entity in the modern world. Just take whatever they say with a healthy dose of skepticism.


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