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Maryland | I commend the job being done with the Alter Cup. A lot of volunteerism and dedication has resulted in several years of exciting racing. Each year the members behind the scene tweek the event into a better, and better, and even better event. WTG and keep it up!
The area Cs cancellation was best summed up by Mark....plus the economy and ...shortish notice.
Last year's area Cs'qualifier had a strong registration because it piggy-backed on an existing annual event at a club with +40 beachcats. Consequently, there was a core group that were going compete even though it usurped an OD/foruma event. Unfortunately, participation was hampered by "really ugly" weather.
With the growth of formula fleets, we may be approaching a time to revisit the qualifier methodology.....However, that is beyond the scope of this thread.
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| It might be interesting to read through the minutes to see what ground has been previously covered.
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South Carolina | 4 out of 7 of those council members have participated in this thread so far. The members of that committee are many of the same people involved in this forum and that we participate in regattas with regularly. You need only to open your eyes to "see the light" {chuckle}
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St. Louis, MO, | I think the way the current championships is run is top notch. I've had the priviledge of attending a few Alter Cups and they are always really enjoyed by the participants.
I think the only thing that really hurts the area qualifiers is the requirement for the crew to be a member of US Sailing. Many crews just arn't that serious and that causes the skipper to have to buck up an extra 40-50 bucks on top of the regatta fee and his membership. Many skippers wouldn't be members of US Sailing if it were not for the Alter Cup. I still see the Alter Cup as the one true benefit by being a member. (Even though I know US Sailing gives no money to the event but just a name).
My hat's off to the organizers and volunteers for this event. They get nothing but pain from everyone and yet the continue to put on a great event. Also a big thanks to the Manufacturer's who put up the boats.
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Naples, FL | can you take an existing (popular) regatta and piggy back the qualifier on it as well? At least then you'd have the attendees...
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South Carolina | can you take an existing (popular) regatta and piggy back the qualifier on it as well? At least then you'd have the attendees... Yes, but the current prescription is that those bidding for the AC qualifier should have their own start.
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Annapolis, MD | You are missing the problem.
the large majority of racers simply don't care about the Alter Cup qualifier.... its last on the list of events to attend.
In your example.
When given a choice at a popular regatta between a one design class race and a handicap race for the Alter Cup slot the overwhelming majority of sailors will choose the One design Race.
They do not value the Alter Cup Qualifier Slot, a regional interclass championship or the differences in handicap racing. ... So, it's just another local regatta and the strings attached are unacceptable ( don't forget USSA membership)and last on the priority of regattas to attend list.
Basically, they know they will have the most fun racing one design and so WHY should they waste the weekend doing something they don't like?
Either we find a way to make the handicap regatta valuable and interesting to the average racer so that they replace a one design event with the handicap event and show up ... or we dump the qualifiers in areas where we just don't care to play.
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Annapolis, MD | Harry... you have been saving that NJ rant for 10 years....
Feel better now?
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| Mark????
So the next time the Alter Cup Area C Eliminations are in Del or Maryland ... I'll go .... just never, ever, New Jersey !!!!!!
I have found more then enough sailing/racing on the Cheaspeake w/o all the potential hassles .... so who needs to go to New Jersey .....
Harry Wow, way to kick up the stoke for any regatta. Yea, Jersey sux, I got pulled over here once too- boo hoo. Ummm, don't know where to go with that one. I was signed up for the Alter cup qualifiers, actually wanted to give it a go at the qualifier and potentially go to the finals, but I guess I just gave a donation to US Sailing. Maybe if it was in MD more people would have shown up. Fact of the matter is the venue is one of the best on the East Coast and it's a shame it has been cancelled. This weekend probably isn't going to go off for wind, but Trixies is one hell of a spot, thermal rocked on Wednesday . Too bad it's New Jersey, then maybe some folks would have signed up - get real. I personally know several NJ State troopers and they are amongst the most upstanding indivduals I've ever met. Perhaps next time you should just wear your seat belt. Hopefully next year they'll pick a spot that works out OK for Harry. sm
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Issaquah, WA, USA | Just to add a note on Mark and Harry. They both did an outstanding job on the Rock Hall Junior Olympics. They got the Multihulls, H-16, into the Junior Olympics for the first time. Got Matt Bounds to be the PRO, who also judged the event, secured Wally Meyers for the Guest Expert seminar, etc. Mark did all the scoring for all sailors, Harry drove over 600 miles one day, bringing Jim Glanden's H-16 down for my grandson to sail, and an RV for Matt to stay in.
They both do a lot for Cat Sailing, but Harry, do wear your seat belt, we want to keep you around.
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Sebring, Florida. | About the whole Alter Cup entrance requirements, do they not already take National Champ. from each class, (F18's, Hobie 16, A Cat, etc.) and add to that list all the Area Qualifier winners?
If so, good. If not, why not? Or are the class champions the ones who are the "petition" entrants?
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