"GROUPAMA lost their rudder after colliding with Groupe Edmond de Rothschild on day 2 at Cowes. With no control the crew had to jump overboard before the boat crashed into the wall. Luckily all crew escaped unhurt."
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Re: That's not good...
[Re: Tony_F18]
#216876 08/01/1001:15 PM08/01/1001:15 PM
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
Re: That's not good...
[Re: Tony_F18]
#216880 08/01/1003:25 PM08/01/1003:25 PM
Impact happens at around 0:06 Them watch them all jump ship when they know its FUBAR'ed.
That is SICK!!!
Scooby, I thought the same thing , but it is just a matter of seconds. Even if they had I'm not sure it would have spun up in time.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
Everyhting is happening very quickly, its only like 25 seconds between the crash and the boat hitting the breakwater.
Simon: Checkout 0:13, they did dump the jib but because the sheets are probably in a loop there is no way they could dump it completely.
They where also heading downwind which IMHO would make it pretty much impossible to round up, its like stopping a runaway train. Maybe the only thing that could have saved them was a HUGE knife. Just glad that nobody got hurt, had someone been standing where that bowsprit hit I'm not sure how it would have ended...
Re: That's not good...
[Re: Tony_F18]
#216903 08/02/1012:07 AM08/02/1012:07 AM
It'll be interesting to hear how the protest/redress pans out.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
I'm surprised there is as little damage as there is, from what I understand that boat is back racing today after fixing it up during the night. My guess is that the boards took most of the impact.
I tell you what, I'm super impressed that the mast didn't come down or snap when it hit pavement.
That whole scene reminded me of when Derek came screaming in at Nag's Head in front of a big nasty black cloud. He hit the beach and then some, getting up to an erosion wall of sand. He smacked it and the boat stopped, the mast kept going.
Having seen the video only, it looks like Groupama jibed too late from the opposite tack and Gitana tried to avoid contact, so there should be no protest, at least from Groupama.
Luiz
Re: That's not good...
[Re: Luiz]
#216936 08/02/1012:05 PM08/02/1012:05 PM
Having seen the video only, it looks like Groupama jibed too late from the opposite tack and Gitana tried to avoid contact, so there should be no protest, at least from Groupama.
I'm not sure that's what I'm seeing. I see Groupama headed downwind, on starboard, behind at least two other boats on the same line. Toward the end of that video, we see more footage of the incident and we see the bows Group Edmond de Rothchild coming in and she appears to be very nearly close hauled. Group Edmond de Rothchild then bares away and hits Groupama. I can't figure out why Group Edmond de Rothchild was in a position that she needed to bear away INTO Groupama. I can't figure out why these two would have met on the course with two wildly different angles of starboard sail where Group Edmond de Rothchild would need to bare away. I think, based on some sketchy details, Groupama is going to win on a time and opportunity argument. Group Edmond could have easily cleared by holding their higher course.
Jake Kohl
Re: That's not good...
[Re: Jake]
#216946 08/02/1001:38 PM08/02/1001:38 PM
Having seen the video only, it looks like Groupama jibed too late from the opposite tack and Gitana tried to avoid contact, so there should be no protest, at least from Groupama.
I'm not sure that's what I'm seeing. I see Groupama headed downwind, on starboard, behind at least two other boats on the same line. Toward the end of that video, we see more footage of the incident and we see the bows Group Edmond de Rothchild coming in and she appears to be very nearly close hauled. Group Edmond de Rothchild then bares away and hits Groupama. I can't figure out why Group Edmond de Rothchild was in a position that she needed to bear away INTO Groupama. I can't figure out why these two would have met on the course with two wildly different angles of starboard sail where Group Edmond de Rothchild would need to bare away. I think, based on some sketchy details, Groupama is going to win on a time and opportunity argument. Group Edmond could have easily cleared by holding their higher course.
Chaps;
Looking at the video; they have just rounded the windward mark (Groupama’s Gennicker is up but furled; Rothchild are goisting theirs); Groupama has borne off hard and is following the same line as the boats in front. Rothchild did not bear off so quickly, or maybe a more gentle arc (notice on Rothchild that the gennicker is being hoisted as the collision occurs) and they took the rudders off Groupama. Looks like Rochchild are going faster; go behind the black/green/blue boat and then try and dive for the gap to leeward of Groupama and do not make it; I’d say Rothchild get binned in the protest room.