| stable sitting position on hull #217947 08/21/10 02:58 PM 08/21/10 02:58 PM |
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Posts: 18 | Today I pitch poled my FX One while using the spinnaker. While sitting on the hull (trapeze hooked) I suddenly moved forward, bringing to much weight to the front ... When sitting I have problems finding a stable position, usually I push my feet against the strap on the trapeze, but with a sudden wave this sometimes is not enough. On the new Nacra F18's I noticed extra bars on the trampoline (next to the straps).
How do you people to this, any practical tips?
bart
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#217949 08/21/10 04:20 PM 08/21/10 04:20 PM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | On the FXone pulling the boards up 6-8", (or sometimes more), helps immensely going downwind. That thing has way too much dagger board under it.
In rough water & heavier air I would let the tiller extension drag, and just use the tiller cross bar. If the world started coming apart I'd usually hook my arm around the rear crossbar.
I'm boatless.
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#217950 08/21/10 04:40 PM 08/21/10 04:40 PM |
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Posts: 976 France | method a) grab the tiller crossbar instead of the tiller extension It may work on the FX-1, with its big aluminum crossbar, but don't do that if your crossbar is a nice light and shiny carbon one. Don't ask me how I know... | | | Re: stable sitting position on hull
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#217961 08/22/10 06:34 AM 08/22/10 06:34 AM |
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 954 Mumbles Y.C Wales U.K Mark P
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Posts: 954 Mumbles Y.C Wales U.K | At the recent Euro's I found a new sitting position for myself during the windier races. I sat on top of the rear beam almost pointing forward. I grabbed both the tiller and crossbar with one hand slightly behind me. Considering the runs were fast and 1 mile long it was a very comfortable ride. I also trapped at times and crouched in the middle of tramp at other times. You've just got to keep moving around to suit the conditions. Putting surf wax on your tramp is an excellent way to stop you slipping around wasting valuable time and energy. MP*MULTIHULLS | | | Re: stable sitting position on hull
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Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 264 Long Island, NY gregP19
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Posts: 264 Long Island, NY | Today I pitch poled my FX One while using the spinnaker. While sitting on the hull (trapeze hooked) I suddenly moved forward, bringing to much weight to the front ... When sitting I have problems finding a stable position, usually I push my feet against the strap on the trapeze, but with a sudden wave this sometimes is not enough. On the new Nacra F18's I noticed extra bars on the trampoline (next to the straps).
How do you people to this, any practical tips?
bart
If you're sitting on the tramp you can use your feet to stabilize by putting one ankle under the footstrap and the other foot on top.
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#217982 08/22/10 11:14 AM 08/22/10 11:14 AM |
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Posts: 18 | Thanks for the suggestions. Indeed, collision with the sharp side of the dagger boards is extremely painful! I will trade in my FX-One for a Blade (just needed a good reason ;-)) with surf wax!
Bart
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#217985 08/22/10 01:31 PM 08/22/10 01:31 PM |
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,584 +31NL Tony_F18
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | I sailed one for a few years and I didn't find it pitchpoles that quickly, it sure has a lot more volume up front then a Blade. The times when I did capsize was because of bad (read:slow ) gybe Best thing to do is to throw the joystick behind the boat and steer with the crossbar. If you can you can put your feet on the daggerboard or under the straps. Ideally you should use the trapeze and a chickenwire, then you can stuff it hard and still recover since the weight stays at the back of the boat. | | | Re: stable sitting position on hull
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#217993 08/22/10 06:31 PM 08/22/10 06:31 PM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | When it's "pitchpole probable" conditions, I have my boards up a bit, the windier, the more up, and then I can brace myself from sliding forward by putting my front foot up against the back edge of the uprasied board (booties on of course!) and my rear foot is hooked under the hiking strap. I toss the tiller extension out back and use the tiller arm to steer, not the crossbar, bent too many already!
The best way to prevent the pitchpole however is to be constantly looking back for the next big gust and bear off -before- it hits, loads up the mainsail and starts the bow going under, because once that bow goes deep, you're toast, even faster if you slide foreward when you first stuff the bow. If you can stay at the back, bear off and ease the spin sheet, you might save it....or not. But I have found going lower/slower on two hulls vs. higher/faster on one to be the safer option in big wind.
I've been able to get it skipping on top of the waves by 'going ugly early' on two hulls when the big gusts hit, but you have to keep those bows up and your weight back.
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#218530 08/30/10 07:56 AM 08/30/10 07:56 AM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Here's an Update to the above technique:
Yesterday I went out in some pretty good wind, I would guess it was about 15 with gusts to 20+. I had left my two dinged up boards at a buddy's house for him to fix them up, and I've only got one spare, but it was blowing so nice I couldn't stay on the beach, so I said, "Fk it, I'm going with one board!"
Well it went upwind as you would expect on the one tack where the boarded hull was down, but what surprised me was how well it went upwind, on the other tack, with NO board! The boarded hull was up out of the water, so there was no board in at all.
I was really impressed, but I didn't have another boat to compare my sideslip to, I'm sure I was slipping quite a bit and there was a lot of weather helm (no jib, that might have helped ballance it out) but I was able to point pretty well and had good speed through the water, on one hull, with no board!
Now, here is the "Ah Hah" moment. When I turned to go downwind and launched the spinny, I got into some pretty good puffs, and I was hauling butt...but the bows didn't dive nearly as much as they usually do when going downwind in similar condtions with both boards down, half way.
I was really impressed at how well it behaved and how hard I could bear off in the gusts and NOT stuff the bows to the mast. I did it on one hull and on two, just to see what worked best, and the difference with the no-board hull vs. the half-board hull was clearly in favor of no-board, if you don't want to stuff it in the gusts.
I even pulled the one board out and put it on the tramp just to see what would happen for an hour or so.
I spent about 3 hours total, just testing what worked and what didn't, but I was amazed at how much better and more stable it was going downwind in a good blow with no boards. It's supposed to blow 15+ again today so I'll be back out there, with one board and no boards, just playing and testing.
Pete, get your butt over here today and we can do some two boat testing upwind, I would like to see how much sideslip I'm getting with no boards...
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#218536 08/30/10 08:25 AM 08/30/10 08:25 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | The boats in pieces, hoping to get out later in the week.
Pete Pollard Blade 702
'When you have a lot of things to do, it's best to get your nap out of the way first.
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#218537 08/30/10 08:28 AM 08/30/10 08:28 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Ouch! Why? You doing some spring cleaning? Or did something go...snap? I should probably take mine apart and re-putty everything, and replace all the rivets on the traveler too, but...I'm too lazy! I'd rather be out sailing if there's wind.
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Is the Tiki up and running? That would make a great committee boat, can you bring it over here for a regatta this winter?
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