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#219392 09/13/10 06:40 PM 09/13/10 06:40 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Watching the flat-earthers over at the SA AC forum is hilarious. You just can't teach some people.Screw 'em. As far as AC-72/ AC 45: Hell Yeah!!!
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#219393 09/13/10 07:08 PM 09/13/10 07:08 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Pretty sure they did mean "youth" - protocol was written in English!
From Fischers piece at Sail-world, questioning Coutts: "In addition to the AC World Series there would be a Youth America's Cup from 2012. This would be held in the AC-45 catamarans, and while age limits have yet to be defined, the crew will have to be from the nation of its challenging yacht club."
Speculation is that they intend to set the limit at age 25
I believe the actual quote from the press release was "junior league" - not "youth" league...which I can imagine in some other dialects of English (Aussie, UK, etc.) could mean "minor league" and not necessarily our common usage of "junior" to mean "youth". It would be silly to put 12 year olds on a 45 foot winged catamaran.
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#219394 09/13/10 07:10 PM 09/13/10 07:10 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Watching the flat-earthers over at the SA AC forum is hilarious. It makes me wonder if this is the reason that the general populous has a hard time relating to sailing as a sport. Most sailboats they see are very mundane slow pigs and while yes, a Melges 24 can be exciting, from the outside it seems like a lot of work with a lot of hands to go 16 knots. For some reason, sailing is stuck with the most visual part of our racing done in minivans while the automotive equivalent of Formula 1's are the odd ball multihull outsiders. I would have a hard time identifying with that pecking order too.
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | http://cdn.americascup.com/AC34-Protocol-9-Sep-2010.pdf Here's the protocol, probably already posted. I didn't look. I expect it's in there. I think I read somewhere else that it was like Jake said , a minor league thing.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#219397 09/13/10 07:35 PM 09/13/10 07:35 PM | MN3
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Watching the flat-earthers over at the SA AC forum is hilarious. The monosluggers kicked us out of the Olympics and the multis repayed them by taking over the AC. Poetic justice if there ever was one ! Absolutely brilliant. Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | man I so thought that the "multihull stigma" was over and done with - that with our latest offerings of F18, A class, F16, F20 etc, that we had finally proven that we were "real" sailors.
But now to see the reactions that permeate the AC forum over at SA, and other sailing forums, I'm not only convinced that its real, but its real ugly.
People, including me, have used the word bigot to describe these people who demonstrate an irrational loathing for multihulls. I don't know of a better word for it personally. Its as if they fear what they don't understand, and have to lash out at it.
I'm excited for the AC34, but sad at the same time - because if its a bust its just going to vindicate these nay-sayers.
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#219508 09/14/10 08:35 AM 09/14/10 08:35 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | it's just a vocal minority. They'll get over it.
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Posts: 5,525 | "man I so thought that the "multihull stigma" was over and done with"
Never gonna happen! You might as well try converting a chocolate lover to vanilla.
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | Why do you think they chose that size? it seems awfully big/expensive - from construction to maintenance to shipping to storage; won't it preclude some teams from competing due to expense? It seems they could have gone smaller and made the event more accessible to more teams.
Any ideas? Is it so that spectators can see them more easily from shore? Is it because that is more comparable to the ocean racing multi's and good designs are already present?
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Posts: 50 Severna Park, MD | Gotta think that this will add pressure to bring Cats back to the Olympics....
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Why do you think they chose that size? it seems awfully big/expensive - from construction to maintenance to shipping to storage; won't it preclude some teams from competing due to expense? It seems they could have gone smaller and made the event more accessible to more teams.
Any ideas? Is it so that spectators can see them more easily from shore? Is it because that is more comparable to the ocean racing multi's and good designs are already present? The size, cost and date are all deliberate to keep the field small. This gives home team has a signficant advantage which of course is by design. Keep in mind this is and always has been just a game between the hyper rich and their toys.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Gotta think that this will add pressure to bring Cats back to the Olympics.... I suspect it will do nada for cats in the Olympics, I also predict sailing at the Olympics is not long for this world. The Olympics is becoming or has become more about the $$ than the competition. If it doesn't get viewership and sell ad space it has gotta go.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | <**** necessary to support their weak viewpoint. It's been this way since Amaryllis, I don't suspect change will happen quick. Having said that hearing what the NYYC commodore and PRO had to say at the LAC awards was refreshing, so we may be making some small gains.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | I'm excited for the AC34, but sad at the same time - because if its a bust its just going to vindicate these nay-sayers.
I don't think a competition between 72ft winged cats designed to a tight box rule under mutual consent can bust. This AC scheme seems to be professionally designed to yield a profitable show and that can't be done without interesting races. If they were smart enough to switch to multihulls against the wishes of the majority of the sailing community, they should be smart enough to make money - and that is first requirement to get to the AC.
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