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Falcon and Viper review (German) #220167
09/24/10 05:54 AM
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For the german readers, in the Prindle&Nacra Forum is a comparison between the Viper and Falcon F16
Link:
http://nacra-kv.foren-city.de/topic,252,e0f6cf3368ca8c75c57f627fded2c304,-f16-katamaran-wer-weiss-was-ueber-diese-boote.html

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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Holger] #220220
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Although of German ancestry, I can't read German. What's the gist of the article?


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: TEH] #220229
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Something about boats, I think....


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Karl_Brogger] #220230
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I was thinking that, but wasn't sure...


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No....it's a "Wild Germany" review of the bird and snake.


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Kris Hathaway] #220238
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Use Google Chrome to view the site - it automatically translates to your preferred language.

Enjoyed the link - Thanks!


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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: John Williams] #220265
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The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

"As nice as the race is to pretzels with a goat over the lake, but if you not a moment may be careless, without which the boat is punished"

Surely we can enshrine "pretzels with a goat"! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: pgp] #220266
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Originally Posted by pgp
The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

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Surely we can enshrine "pretzels with a goat"! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.


Tiki,
Remember that Hollywood made a movie about "men who stare at goats" with big name actors!


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: tback] #220267
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I must be a very sick man. This is so funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: TEH] #220300
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Originally Posted by TEH
Although of German ancestry, I can't read German. What's the gist of the article?

A interested German Catsailor from lake Constance visited the F16 Euro at lake Como, and testsailed the Viper and Falcon.
He described the differences between both cats. The Viper had a routher look, with sharper bow, the Falcon smoother lines in the hull with nice details in beam to hull connection.
Both boats have the same amount of freeboard in the hulls.
The Falcon's mast ist further back than the Viper's mast.
The weight difference of the 6 measured Vipers was around 8kg in the platform, because of the production process?
On the water the Viper and Falcon are very comparable, the extra weight of the Viper dosn't matter much.
The rudder of the Falcon felt more precise and the boat more agile.
Some minor details in lines and rigging were different.
Later in the thread is stated, that regarding to Helge Sach, there were changes in the Viper and the newer model sails better with spi downwind, and has better handling on board.

GER3 and GER6 are two more Vipers in Germany, don't know if they are Class members. Will try to contact them.

Regards, Holger


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Holger] #220303
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Later in the thread is stated, that regarding to Helge Sach, there were changes in the Viper and the newer model sails better with spi downwind, and has better handling on board.


I wonder why? There is zero difference in the three model years that I am aware of in regards to the spinnaker set up.


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Karl_Brogger] #220349
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I think he is referring to sail cut differences, not platform differences. I'd assume ther have been small evolutionary changes in the shape over the last few/three years.


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Thanks. Never got around to installing Chrome.


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: pgp] #220622
09/30/10 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pgp
The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

"As nice as the race is to pretzels with a goat over the lake, but if you not a moment may be careless, without which the boat is punished"

Surely we can enshrine "pretzels with a goat"! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.


Rennziege = racing goat, is a expression in Germany for a fast machine. To pretzel (in german: brezeln) in a informal, funny way means to ride.

So the sentence above could be translated like: Although its real fun to pretzel with such a racing goat across the lake the fear of being punished for each small mistake could spoil the fun of sailing.

SRY i'm not a translator too

Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Lockenfisch] #220633
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Originally Posted by Lockenfisch
Originally Posted by pgp
The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

"As nice as the race is to pretzels with a goat over the lake, but if you not a moment may be careless, without which the boat is punished"

Surely we can enshrine "pretzels with a goat"! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.


Rennziege = racing goat, is a expression in Germany for a fast machine. To pretzel (in german: brezeln) in a informal, funny way means to ride.

So the sentence above could be translated like: Although its real fun to pretzel with such a racing goat across the lake the fear of being punished for each small mistake could spoil the fun of sailing.

SRY i'm not a translator too


Thanks! I love things like that. Language is amazing. I'll try to think of some English slang that does "pretzels with a goat" justice!


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Lockenfisch] #220638
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Originally Posted by Lockenfisch
SRY i'm not a translator too


Very true dude! Should be RACE GOAT not racing goat.

Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Lockenfisch] #220693
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RACE GOAT is a great name for a boat.

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
RACE GOAT is a great name for a boat.


I've been thinking about boat names recently. Not so much the name, name, but more of a model name like Tiger, Falcon, Viper, etc...

I really like Pariah, and Plague. Way different take on names I think.

[/hijack]


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Re: Falcon and Viper review [Re: Karl_Brogger] #220705
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Scarecrow
RACE GOAT is a great name for a boat.


I've been thinking about boat names recently. Not so much the name, name, but more of a model name like Tiger, Falcon, Viper, etc...

I really like Pariah, and Plague. Way different take on names I think.

[/hijack]


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