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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: pgp] #222877
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I support JW too. (if that means anything)

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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: pgp] #222881
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having a really dull evening so I looked through the submissions for the ISAF meeting next month

http://www.sailing.org/2010-conference.php

The big document,as has been highlighted is 097-10 from the events committee, which is very much in favour of the MIXED multihull.
There is also provision for this meeting to make decisions on Events AND equipement for 2016.

Looking at the other submissions...

the following are still proposing the 5x2 plan
French sailing Fed
US sailing
F18, Dart 18 and Tornado assocs

The following strongly recommend multihull inclusion...
Sail Oman
RSA sailing

the F18 class want a mens 20 footer and womens 16 footer

The RYA [GBR] are only worried about womens skiffs



I stand corrected on a lot of my previous postings!


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: TEAMVMG] #222894
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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: H17cat] #222902
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I liked that one as well. The whole "core event" thing really smells like BS.

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: rhodysail] #222915
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Originally Posted by rhodysail
I liked that one as well.


Just perfect:

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The logical consequence to the Olympic Commissions report can only be to select:

  • 1 Person Dinghy Men and Women
  • 2 Person Skiff Men and Women
  • Windsurfer Men and Women
  • Kiteboard Men and Women
  • Multihull (Men and Women)



Trials to choose the equipment would probably result in:

- Devotti One (too bad the Moth is not one design)
- 49er
- RSX (or another formula)
- IODK (International One Design Kite - to be invented)
- Supercat 22 OD


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I think the Moth can work as a One Design, just put it to tender and select a builder for a set period.

49er, perfect. for both Men and Women (maybe a smaller rig for the girls)

RSX... jury is still out on the RSX, maybe another trial to select suitable equipment?

Kite... I'm just not sure what the event is meant to be, is it racing or doing tricks?

Supercat 22, ummm.... I really dont understand this one at all! Its not OD, not modern at all, and freaking massive for 2 Women!


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: macca] #222917
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Originally Posted by macca


I'm just not sure what the event is meant to be, is it racing or doing tricks?


Yeah, what kind of tosser takes a racing bit of kit and goes out and does tricks on it??? crazy

I don't think that you get Luiz's sense of humour either!

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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: TEAMVMG] #222919
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Maybe we should have F20 as a event, but score the tricks?? smile



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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: H17cat] #222920
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Some one has been reading my posts, sorry John but you have my respect but not my support, by the time we get to 2016 olympics the tornado will be pushing 40 years old..

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222921
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Correcting myself: Tornado designed in 1967 if it enters the 2016 olympics it will be 49 years old. Hate to say it but it is looking its age, sewing a square top on a pinhead just dosent cop it!

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222923
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Have you sailed a modern carbon rig Marstrom. I will tell you now there are VERY few boats on the water that feel as refined and efficient to sail as one. Even by todays standards, they rate as close to the best beach cat around. It opened my eyed up when I went from a Reg White to a Marstrom. Chalk and cheese.

33 years old and WAY ahead of it's time. Few have caught up.

There is a reason why the worlds best cat sailors ejoy going back to the Tornado.


Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #222927
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Sadly No I have not had the good fortune to sail a mastron, mine was also a reg white, saw a picture of it 2 days ago competing in the around dunk island race at mission beach, You can bet Mastron are talking to the ISAF at the moment, but who knows if they are still keen to push the Tornado or the M20 now that it (seems) that a vessel may also be selected along with the event, how interesting..I gotta say although i am more than happy sailing my Aussie Inter 17 one up, I felt way more in control in the Tornado in the heavy airs..often i would sail out over the horizon, cruise with the dolphins and turn around only to just make out the mountain range from where i had come. Next month I will go in a charity fundraiser sail4palsy 6 days sailing fron Cairns to Townsville, cant wait!

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222979
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The IOC has proposed the Hobie 16 become the youth worlds preffered cat, to be used as a leeder to the Olympic mixed cat, all the chat is the Tornado will be reserected, now is the time to buy a cheap Tornado, the price will go up real fast if it is selected..

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222981
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which proposal is that?


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: TEAMVMG] #222984
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http://www.multihull2016.com/downloads/09710EventandEquipment2016Olympics-[9390].pdf

3rd page it has the hobie highlighted, but no olympic cat, it is the only section not with a selection yet, but if they want a 16 footer as a leeder to the olympics then its gotta be a f18 or bigger for the olympics

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222986
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Thats the 097-10 submission. Its been made by the ISAF executive committee for consideration of their events and equipment committees BASED on their interpretation of the IOC guidelines. IOC won't recommend to ISAF what they should recommend back to the IOC

The sL16 is highlighted as much as the Hobie 16, because they are the current youth boat[s]


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: TEAMVMG] #222994
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Then it dosent appear that the ISAF will change that or it would have been left blank also, unless they are planning on changing the current youth boats, i cant imagine a change in youth cats but who knows, its a good hint of what is coming

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: TEAMVMG] #222996
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Originally Posted by TEAMVMG

The sL16 is highlighted as much as the Hobie 16, because they are the current youth boat[s]


While in Istambul, I asked the head of the SL16 factory team if they could guaranty that the SL16 will remain the youth cat. He said yes, at least for the next two Youth Worlds.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Luiz] #223002
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One observation from 097-10:-

"men and women multi-hull: this is not supported as the Commission believes that there is not currently sufficient Women-only multi-hull racing taking place globally to merit one of sailing’s 10 Olympic Events. It might also fail to meet the IOC requirement (practised in 35 countries on 3 continents). The Commission believes that new Olympic Events should reflect sailing that is already an established part of the sport.
• The Commission does not support the view that Mixed is “not a discipline” or “not elite”. Sailing already has a Mixed Event (the 2-Person event in the Paralympics), and the IOC has added mixed tennis for 2012. Multi-hull is currently sailed Mixed by many sailors in many elite competitions – for instance the 2010 Tornado Class World Championships was won by a Mixed crew, as was the 2009 ISAF Youth Worlds multi-hull event. Furthermore, if multi-hull is only Mixed in the Olympics, this Mixed competition will become the premier, elite multi-hull dinghy event, and will provide additional value and differentiation to multi-hull sailing."




So, they state that there isn't enough Women's only multihull sailing around the world to meet the IOC criteria of 35 countries on 3 continents, so they are clearly ignoring the H16 womens champs???

But can anyone tell me if there is ONE country in the world that has a mixed multihull champs??

They even state here that if they create mixed multihull as an even then it will become the premier category of multihull sailing, yet as per the IOC criteria its not even a valid category at the moment!!


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: macca] #223007
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Kinda contradicts what the IOC are wanting, I say open event for the best chance of sucess, and that is the only event that meets the IOC requirments then, what are your thoughts John

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