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Re: News [Re: Ross] #176395
04/29/09 04:02 AM
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Ross, I think if you look around a little bit in the local shops you can find all you need (at a very good price) to enable you to build a desent cat.

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Re: News [Re: grob] #176397
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Do you know what the diameter and wall thickness of the tubes are that go to make up those two masts?



Yes.

And a bunch of other specs as well.

Wouter

Last edited by Wouter; 04/29/09 04:25 AM.

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Re: News [Re: Wouter] #176401
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I also think the unstayed, self supporting rig is an excellent idea. Great suggestions Wouter!

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Re: News [Re: Ross] #176419
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Ross I ordered a kit so that Scarecrow could organise his suppliers for kits. While the kits heaps easier and each piece is cut out perfect, you dont really need a kit you can build the DS12 from the plans that Scarecrow supplies. I would be suprised if you cant get all the things you need to build the cat there, but you probably need the technical name for the resins so you can web search it. If you could organise freight the kit package wasn't heavy and is approx 3900mm x 450mm x 200mm. Now all I need is time to assemble it.
Your questions are not stupid anyone on the forum will happily answer you. Have you seen Gato's blog on building his DS12 in this forum, he shows how to build this cat and how it will look.
Simon I'll probably see you on Sunday for the Rum Race, I can't believe how fast you were at the Earthmovers race hopefully we'll find the marks this time.
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Re: News [Re: ] #176481
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Not particularly relevant to Ross but for those building any F12 design in Aus I'm happy to supply the metal kit components. They are directly compatible with Tabby and I'm sure the Vudu could be tweeked to suit.

Ross I'm sure you can get everything locally if you look around you can find everything you need locally and save the cost of shipping.

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Thanks guys. Yes I have seen Gato's pictures and have been all over his web site. Excellent stuff.

Scarecrow, do you specify the techincal stuff in your plans for the DS12? Ie. cloth, resins, carbon, etc?

Cheers.

Re: News [Re: Ross] #176529
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Ross check your PMs I've just sent you a link to the plans.

basically cloth is specified (its all e-glass in the plans). When working with marine plys (we recommend gaboon) you have to use Epoxy, talk to your local supplier as to their best product for the job but I have used Gurit (SP systems) for the last 10 years without any issues.

Carbon is only required if you choose to build a mast.

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Ross, I added glass on the outside, but that is not at all needed, just wanted to get a little bit more strength against wear and tear.
If you make your mast yoy don't, need any metal fittings at all. In fact all fittings on the cat can be made in carbon (not more expensive than SS).

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Thanks guys. I have been thinking that carbon beams (strikerless front beam) and carbon mast may be the way to go. Presumably instructions on how to do this are readily available? If this can all be done at home then I don't need to worry about getting stuff fabricated.

Cheers

Re: News [Re: Ross] #176655
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Ross carbon mast details already exist. Carbon beams can be generated on request.

Re: News [Re: Ross] #176718
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Originally Posted by Ross

The unstayed, self supporting rig does appear to be a neat way to go.

JeffS, you are talking about a kit you are about to pick up. I admit I have not read every F12 thread, so I guess I have missed something, but who is supplying the kits, what is included, and based on what design? Is it the Vudu? Also, is the kit available for purchase, and if so, who do I contact?


RG is trying to gather enough people to produce a batch of rotomolded Vudus. You might want to contact him too.
I like the self standing rig with sleeved sail either, but will take the production boat anyway it comes because I believe in serial production to boost numbers.

All the best,


Luiz
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How much for the rotomolded platform ?

And is RG still using the curved beams for the Vudu ?

Will it carry a 85 kg male ?

If so then I maybe interested just the platform. I'm not looking forward in building that myself with the resources that I have. I have no issues with the foils or rig.

Wouter


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Originally Posted by Wouter

How much for the rotomolded platform ?
And is RG still using the curved beams for the Vudu ?
Will it carry a 85 kg male ?
If so then I maybe interested just the platform. I'm not looking forward in building that myself with the resources that I have. I have no issues with the foils or rig.


Wouter,

The complete boat will cost USD 4.000,00 if 20 are ordered. Thatīs all I know.

Luiz


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Hi Luiz,

I've shot a PM off to RG about the Rotomolded F12, as this is probably the easiest option for me, but haven't heard anything back. But I've also sourced most things I need for a DS12, except for sails and general fittings, but most of this can be obtained from Singapore easily. I guess I do what I think is quickest for me in the long run.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Wouter


How much for the rotomolded platform ?

And is RG still using the curved beams for the Vudu ?

Will it carry a 85 kg male ?

If so then I maybe interested just the platform. I'm not looking forward in building that myself with the resources that I have. I have no issues with the foils or rig.

Wouter

Hi Wouter,
will have a platform only price after the first ones are out of the moulds and the round bilge one will have straight beams.
It will however struggle a bit at 85kg as it was only designed around a max 50 kg kid.

cheers
RG

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RG sent an email to your xtra.co.nz email address. I don't know if you check it often.

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Hi Wouter,
will have a platform only price after the first ones are out of the moulds and the round bilge one will have straight beams.
It will however struggle a bit at 85kg as it was only designed around a max 50 kg kid.



Thanks for the info.

Wouter


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RG, there are rumours that the Vudu is waterborn, any pics??

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More competition from the mono side..."The Bug" from

Laser...they too are after a share of the Optimist market.
http://www.newboats.com/videos.jsp?bctid=4560590001


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