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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: TonyJ] #227733
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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: TonyJ] #227734
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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: TonyJ] #227776
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wind strength of the race days ?

Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: waynemarlow] #228000
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Sorry for the lateness and the format. Had manor dramas getting a copy of the results. Should be able to work it out if your interested. A better copy and report will be posted on Australian f16 website soon.

Scoring system: Appendix A
Rank BowNo Fleet Make SailNo State Skipper Crew R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R11 R12 Total Nett
1st 12 F16 TBA ALO166 QLD Matt Homan Chris Homan (4) 2 3 3 2 1 2 1 1 3 1 (4) 27 19
2nd 4 F16 TBA AUS 312
Andrew Williams
Chris Monroe
1 4 2 1 (7) 4 1 4 (5) 2 3 1 35 23
3rd 2 F16 Viper AUS 165 QLD
Adrian Fawcett
Jesse Dobie (5) 1 1 2 3 3 3 3 2 1 4 (5) 33 23
4th 7 F16 TBA AUS 334
Dan Vankerckhof
Kings Pursh 3 3 (12 DNC) (12 DNC) 4 2 6 2 3 6 2 3 58 34
5th 11 F16 TBA TBA
Pim Hagenaar
Marleen Buizer
(8) 5 4 4 5 (8) 4 5 4 5 5 6 63 47
6th 5 F16 TBA AUS 406
Antony Barrett
NA 7 7 5 5 1 5 7 (8) (12 DNC) 4 6 2 69 49
7th 10 F16 TBA AUS 408
Marcus Towell
NA 6 8 8 7 8 7 5 6 6 (12 DNC) (12 DNC) 12 DNC 97 73
8th 8 F16 TBA AUS 403
Emile Barrett
NA 2 6 9 6 6 6 10 (12 DNC) (12 DNC) 12 DNC 12 DNC 12 DNC 105 81
9th 1 F16 Viper AUS 164 QLD Don Dull NA 9 9 6 (12 DNC) 9 9 9 (12 DNC) 12 DNC 7 12 DNC 12 DNC 118 94
10th 3 F16 TBA AUS 180
Graig Milton
NA 10 10 7 8 11 10 11 (12 DNC) (12 DNC) 8 7 12 DNC 118 94
11th 6 F16 Viper AUS 182 NSW
Patrick Boutonnet
Judy Boutonnet
11 11 10 9 10 11 8 7 (12 DNC) 9 (12 DNC) 12 DNC 122 98


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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Aido] #228003
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Results are up at Aus-f16.blogspot.com. Much easier to read.


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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Aido] #228032
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Whose boat is 403? How do you like the sail? I've been talking to Glenn about using the same cloth on a mozzie main.

Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: ] #228037
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403 would be Emile Barret I think. Could be Tony Barret. It's been a while since I have been down the Local sailing club.:)



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Seems that one single handlers managed to mingle with the doubles. Was there a big difference in finishing time between the first doubles and first unis?

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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Gilo] #228063
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Really, from what I see with one exception (which included 3 DNCs) There is no mixing in the final results. 1-> 5 double handers, 6->10 single handers. Tony and Emile both managed to buck the trend a couple of times, but generally it was two seperate fleets. I agree though finishing times would be helpfull.

Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: ] #228074
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Yes it's an older mylar main I believe. Not cheap but much much stiffer (and less forgiving) then the Pentex.

There would be more around except for the price and the fact that most get destroyed long before their time by crew falling into the mainsail during capsize. The pentex are cheaper but even less durable especially with the size and shape of the window these days. wink


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Whose boat is 403? How do you like the sail? I've been talking to Glenn about using the same cloth on a mozzie main.


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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Buccaneer] #228107
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Really, from the photo it looks like MAXX. In theory price should be very competitive. More for the cloth but less for the labour.

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in my experience, half the cost of the sail is labor. Take a crosscut main- the number of seams is MUCH less than a radial cut. New fabric with a laminate which is designed for cross cut will cut labor costs.... provided one can get the shape desired...
A cat mains are going this way and it is a great development.

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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: PTP] #228137
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Our experiance with the F12 sails is the labor is more than half.

Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: ] #228142
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The crosscut cloth costs basically twice as much to comparable radial cloth. So it evens out really. I sometimes wonder tho. A good sail maker can stick up a radial sail pretty quick.

I really like the pentex maxx. Nice to work with and nice to use on the boat.


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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Aido] #228197
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Aido in your opinion what is the life expectancy of crosscut MAXX sails compared to radials?

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Maxx does seem a bit more durable than the radial varieties. It's a bit more crush resistant. However Crushing mostly occurs during transport and putting the sail up and down so if your careful it doesn't matter.

The thing i like about maxx is that it seems a bit easier to trim. If your sailing a boat where the helm trims the main it makes life a bit easier.

There is another cloth called Flex which is also worth looking at. I expect it to be much the same.


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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Aido] #228275
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Maxx is made by Contender. Flex by Dimenion Polyant.

Maxx was the "original" cloth, Flex is the competing product.

In my experience Maxx stretch a bit under load. Depending on cloth, layout and reinforcement of course. Lifetime was the same for our Maxx Pentex and radial Pentex sails.

Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #228277
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Interesting note on lifespan. Since the original cloths (Maxx and Flex) Contender have released a mainsail specific cloth with a very asymetric fibre layout.

The problem with it after doing more research is it appears to a little heavy with the lightest cloth being 4.9 oz.

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Re: 2011 Austrailian F16 Championships [Re: ] #228294
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Its definetly Maxx that Glenn is using, although I'm not sure if it is the mainsail version.

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Contender also supply a stiff Pentex tape to be used for luff reinforcement.

Our Maxx sails was lighter than radial sail. Not by much though. For ease of build and smooth surface when set Maxx was really good. Fewer seams and less work.

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