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Posts: 976 France | So where can I get a new mainsail like that? a quick google would indicate that hunter@schurrsails.com would be a good start. | | | Re: Pensacol Performance mid-wnters????
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Thanks Pepin but I was lookking for a little more info from the guys that were there and saw it up close. I don't know if it's an"Experimental" one-off at this point or if they are mass producing them.
And was there a class measurer who measured and stamped it?
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Posts: 186 Chattanooga, TN | The I20 is Mark Smith who has been working with some new sail cuts for the 20. To say his sail has a big head is an understatment. I wanna say it is like 5 feet or so. He did sail as nonclass sails from my understanding. Had the most "intresting" spin i have seen in a long time. As for the Rice Viper sail I am not sure if it was bigger (never remebered to ask) or if the cut was just different giving it a different look. Really was a cool looking sail.
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | Thanks Pepin but I was lookking for a little more info from the guys that were there and saw it up close. I don't know if it's an"Experimental" one-off at this point or if they are mass producing them.
And was there a class measurer who measured and stamped it? mass producing if enough people order them. Hard to say what is mass production in such a small set of boats. It was a nice looking sail. I like that manufacturers are going that direction but I think some of the people who have gone to the high (higher, I guess) aspect mains have had a bit of difficulty (well, maybe difficult is too strong of a word) tuning them right. I believe Bert Rice Jr (in the pic, sailing the viper) also designs his own sails and works at Schurr sails at times (not 100% sure, but I think so). | | | Re: Pensacol Performance mid-wnters????
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | I like that manufacturers are going that direction but I think some of the people who have gone to the high (higher, I guess) aspect mains have had a bit of difficulty (well, maybe difficult is too strong of a word) tuning them right.
+1 This is a trend we have been seeing in the all the formula and box rule classes for a while. With each rev of foils, sails and rig there will be a small bump in performance but it will take an increasingly higher skillset to maximize those improvements. That magic sweet spot will continue to get smaller and smaller, and the performance hit for falling out of the sweet spot will get increasingly more painful. Some of us will have to make a choice, chase the potential performance gain and dedicate the stick time to maximize it or stay with a configuration that is more forgiving. It's nice to have options.
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Posts: 548 MERRITTISLAND, FL | I like that manufacturers are going that direction but I think some of the people who have gone to the high (higher, I guess) aspect mains have had a bit of difficulty (well, maybe difficult is too strong of a word) tuning them right.
+1 This is a trend we have been seeing in the all the formula and box rule classes for a while. With each rev of foils, sails and rig there will be a small bump in performance but it will take an increasingly higher skillset to maximize those improvements. That magic sweet spot will continue to get smaller and smaller, and the performance hit for falling out of the sweet spot will get increasingly more painful. Some of us will have to make a choice, chase the potential performance gain and dedicate the stick time to maximize it or stay with a configuration that is more forgiving. It's nice to have options. I feel trend this is somewhat self regulating in the long term, although it adds a lot of expense to the sport. Giant square tops, super high aspect foils etc all may have some theoretical performance gain over another design at some theoretical sea and or wind condition. If you sail a whole season, how many days do you get where the conditions are exactly the same? Most of the extreme feature “trend of the day” things, like the giant square top or the super long bows etc ,etc have all been tried on designs many years ago and I have yet to see much if anything truly new come out in the last 5 years or so. A top level guy comes out and wins an (1) event and the lemmings all jump over the cliff having to equip their ride with the latest or upgrade. The top guys were going to win anyway, and most of the extreme features seem to have narrow windows for gain or require an added level of skill to realize. The average weekend warrior is not going to see squat with the change. In fact bouncing systems and using incorrect techniques, I feel, cause a loss in general performance for many. The designs that have the most balance and range seem to stay. They do not generate the press. The builders have to pay for this research so the current balance with weekly “new features” getting spread over every boat sold – good idea or not. | | |
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