| 1/10 of a knot #231862 05/04/11 06:45 AM 05/04/11 06:45 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | What would it take to improve my boat speed by that much?
Take into consideration my boat is five years old. A reduced pork chop diet is out of the question!
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Posts: 118 Pensacola, FL | Fill the dings/scratches that are on the bottom of all our boats and wax it a few times.
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Posts: 5,525 | I'm not so sure about the wax. But, is it really that easy to pick up 1/10?
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Why are you not so sure about the wax? No fan of simple physics? Go get Frank Bethwaite's book, High Performance Sailing. In it he lays out exactly what a dirty hull will cost you in speed, and it's a lot more than 1/10th of a knot. http://www.amazon.com/High-Performa...mp;s=books&qid=1304511678&sr=1-1Read some of the reviews...if you race sailboats but don't own this book, well, it would be money well spent.
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Posts: 5,525 | Way back when, I'd heard that since wax is soft any scratches in the wax itself are as bad as scratches to the boat.
I'll get the book. But in the mean time, if a clean fair hull is ultra important, what would you go to get it? Wet sand with 1000 grit then buff with rubbing compound seems like over kill though it looks nice.
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Don't use soft wax, use Teflon. McLube makes the right stuff. http://www.mclubemarine.com/ But first I would take it to a professional racing boat shop and have them board sand it and re-gelcoat it. You don't want to do it by hand wtih a small block, it won't be fair enough. You need a longboard, and it's a "job".
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Posts: 5,525 | Good morning sunshine!
So, what's your take on a fair hull? When does it become overkill?
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | If you can't eat off the bottom, it's too dirty. I wash and wax my boat (and daggers and rudders) the day before I go to a regatta, then wash the hulls again when I arrive at the regatta, before I take it off the trailer.
Road grime picked up while trailering to the regatta is slow. In the book mentioned above Frank did drag tests of hulls that had been washed after trailering and not, it was very clear which were always faster.
Shall we talk about the dirt on the mast and sails now? Anyone know of a good aluminium polish? ;^)
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Posts: 5,525 | "...aluminium polish?"  I was thinking the same thing but not very seriously. My boat is well past time for a good overhaul and I was wondering just how far to go. It is still a beach cat and the best finish in the world probably wouldn't survive the first launch/landing or even sand on the trailer cradles.
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | You don't 'drive it on' to the beach do you?
Yeah, that will -undo- all the board sanding, gelcoat and wax!
I stop in a foot of water and go get the wheels.
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Posts: 439 Memphis, TN | There has been and always will be an argument for waxing or not waxing the boat because of boat speed.
My argument.... It keeps the nasty grim off and I don't have to wash it as often.
A sexy boat is a clean boat, which in turn looks fast!
Mike
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Posts: 5,525 | "...go get the wheels." That's fine when I have crew but a problem when I'm uni. Lately, I've had a mooring line to return to and that is very nice.
Mike: what kind of wax do you use?
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Posts: 439 Memphis, TN | I use the Mcguires cleaner wax from the local O'reily's. It waxes and it clean some stuff off of the hull. I also use that on my spin pole. I have used the Holmekol and it's very nice, just a little expensive.  What I generally do is at the beginning of the year, I use the Holmekol for the "base" if you want to call it that, and the rest of the year use the McGuires.
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | "...go get the wheels." That's fine when I have crew but a problem when I'm uni.
Pete, when I sail uni i have a small anchor that I tie a line to with a milk jug as a buoy. After launhing the boat, I drop the anchor and tie off my wheels to it right out in the water. When I finish sailing I come in and sail right to my wheels. BTW, sometimes you need to raise your sails on the water, if so, then you can tie off to the makeshift mooring buoy to do that.
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Posts: 5,525 | I hear you Rolf.  For some reason, I find it is actually easier to raise and lower the main when the boat is on the water.
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | Good morning sunshine!
So, what's your take on a fair hull? When does it become overkill? I don't own boats long enough to scratch them any more. I'm with mike though, I just want it easy to clean and keep the brown stains at bay, (I should wax my underwear lol) I actually use the same exact wax. Smoother and straighter will be faster, that I do know. But as far as wax or not I couldn't tell you if it makes a difference.
I'm boatless.
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