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Bethwaite #232339
05/13/11 07:18 AM
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Tim:

I received it yesterday. Your point is well made. The first chapter was worth the price.



Pete Pollard
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Re: Bethwaite [Re: pgp] #232341
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Though it was written for skiffs and mono dinghys, there is a whole lot of good info in there applicable to cats.

Enjoy!


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: Timbo] #232344
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I got this book a few years ago, but now you two talking about it makes me want to go reread it. Only i remeber getting completly lost in the weather section. maybe I am smarter now so will try agian.


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: jody] #232346
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For weather, I use the Stuart Walker, 3 category, method to decide which way to go:

1. Persistant shift

2. Occilating shifts

3. none of the above.

Stuart's stuff is great for strategy and tactics, while Bethwaite's stuff is great for boat speed.

It's all good reading when the wind is too light (or it's too cold up north) to sail, but today it's supposed to be blowing 10-15 so as soon as I get back from my bike ride, I'm going sailing.

Oh, and I was just made aware there is a new Viper owner up in Wisc. who will also be using sail number 777, and get this, he is also a Delta 777 Captain! Small world!

So if you see him out racing this summer, don't spit on him as you might be tempted to, thinking it's me. He's proably a very nice guy! (unlike me)


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: Timbo] #232350
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so will you chage your sail number to A380? ouch


Jay

Re: Bethwaite [Re: waterbug_wpb] #232358
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Yeah...as soon as I check out on it, but since Delta doesn't own any and probably never will, I'll have to wait for the 787's to show up, and use that, unless I get a bid to the 747 before they park them all. (they are gas hogs so they will probably be gone before I can get a bid on it)

OR...once I get rid of a few kids and their horses, I could get on an A cat and use 777 on that.


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: Timbo] #232360
05/13/11 12:23 PM
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How does JJ get to take 777?

Re: Bethwaite [Re: ] #232364
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He's not "taking" it, he asked if he could -share- it.

Since he's up in Wisconsin and I'm down in Florida, and I doubt I will ever trailer up there, or he down here, I said it would be ok with me if he also used it, as long as that's OK with the class Pres, Sec, Treasure, etc. You guys can all vote on it if you think it's necessary.

If we ever do end up at the same regatta, (Nationals or perhaps Tradewinds?) he said he would add something to his number to make it distinguishable from mine.





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Re: Bethwaite [Re: Timbo] #232367
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Originally Posted by Timbo

Oh, and I was just made aware there is a new Viper owner up in Wisc. who will also be using sail number 777, and get this, he is also a Delta 777 Captain! Small world!



Does the USF16 Association allow two sail numbers to be registered and approved? Regardless whether it is a Viper/Blade/Falcon .... we're all F16's.



USA 777
Re: Bethwaite [Re: Timbo] #232371
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Ok that kind of makes sense. I'm guessing there's a good chance he will be at Nationals.

Re: Bethwaite [Re: tback] #232378
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Originally Posted by tback
Does the USF16 Association allow two sail numbers to be registered and approved? Regardless whether it is a Viper/Blade/Falcon .... we're all F16's.


USF16 Association has no say presently. The pending ISAF F16 rule set that is about to be "balloted" to current members (pay your dues if you want a voice), designates the USF16 and other respective national associations the responsibility to manage among other things, sail numbers. However, it is only at ISAF sanctioned events like Nationals or World Championship, and when registering certified sails that we would be required to enforce uniquely numbered sails. First come, first served in that case and thus the opportunity to reserve your number now.

USF16 is here to serve its members but also wishes to Keep It Simple. I am pretty sure that 2 or 3 unique sail numbers would not be onerous. Eventually, there will be a point when reserved numbers will be expected to be documented via "certification" and on file with the USF16.

I further hope that we will be able to work with the manufacturers on granting blocks of sail numbers and starting a referral program with them. If we get enough of a membership database, I hope that the USF16 will be able to solicit group discounts for its members at relevant supply houses and other related vendors, ie: APS, Murrays, ProShop, etc.

Any input is always welcomed.


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: Kris Hathaway] #232392
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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
Originally Posted by tback
Does the USF16 Association allow two sail numbers to be registered and approved? Regardless whether it is a Viper/Blade/Falcon .... we're all F16's.


USF16 Association has no say presently. The pending ISAF F16 rule set that is about to be "balloted" to current members (pay your dues if you want a voice), designates the USF16 and other respective national associations the responsibility to manage among other things, sail numbers. However, it is only at ISAF sanctioned events like Nationals or World Championship, and when registering certified sails that we would be required to enforce uniquely numbered sails. First come, first served in that case and thus the opportunity to reserve your number now.

USF16 is here to serve its members but also wishes to Keep It Simple. I am pretty sure that 2 or 3 unique sail numbers would not be onerous. Eventually, there will be a point when reserved numbers will be expected to be documented via "certification" and on file with the USF16.

I further hope that we will be able to work with the manufacturers on granting blocks of sail numbers and starting a referral program with them. If we get enough of a membership database, I hope that the USF16 will be able to solicit group discounts for its members at relevant supply houses and other related vendors, ie: APS, Murrays, ProShop, etc.

Any input is always welcomed.


What does "..... via certification ... " mean?


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: jody] #232396
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Jody, I can only hope there was never a time when you were dumber than you are now!


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: tback] #232412
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Does the USF16 Association allow two sail numbers to be registered and approved? Regardless whether it is a Viper/Blade/Falcon .... we're all F16's.


No.

Or at least that was the way it was back in the day I was chairman.


Wouter Hijink
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Re: Bethwaite [Re: Wouter] #232415
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Originally Posted by Wouter
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Does the USF16 Association allow two sail numbers to be registered and approved? Regardless whether it is a Viper/Blade/Falcon .... we're all F16's.


No.

Or at least that was the way it was back in the day I was chairman.


I smell Royalty Checks!


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: tback] #232417
05/14/11 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tback

What does "..... via certification ... " mean?

Measured boat (or sail in this case) by approved measurer.


Kris Hathaway
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But it seems pretty straightforward to register 7770 and sail with an invisible last digit in home waters.

Sorry Timbo smile

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Damn, and I was sooo looking forward to all that royalty money paying for my Gunboat 78!!

And BTW, before any of you swinging dicks think twice about it, as of Right Now, I claim sail number 787 for my Gunboat 78!!

So when you all get your Gunboat 78's you'll have to pick something else! So there!!

Why a Gunboat 78?

Because they don't make a Gunboat 120!


(if you are going to dream, dream BIG!)


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Re: Bethwaite [Re: pgp] #232458
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sick I can't believe I haven't been studying Bethwaite all along.


Pete Pollard
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Re: Bethwaite [Re: pgp] #232463
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Got any of Stuart Walker's books yet?

Lots of good stuff there too.


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