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Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: Jalani] #232558
05/18/11 07:33 AM
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+1

FWIW- Since "Eddie the Eagle" the IOC has placed a minimum skills requirement for athelets so there is like chance of skills being watered down by sub par performance.

Imo, that is where we should be headed, developing a program designed to measure and raise the sailing skills set to Olympic standards.

Last edited by pgp; 05/18/11 07:37 AM.

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Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: waterbug_wpb] #232559
05/18/11 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Boat is laid out like an F18


Don't you mean like a Tornado. Where do you think a lot of these systems filtered down from.


Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: Mark Schneider] #232561
05/18/11 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Now were talking! I like it!

I would also change the qualification process. As Tornado Alive noted... you have to get to Europe... and that is real money.


Sadly it is more than just qualify. You need to get to Europe for real cat racing. You need to mix it on the European circit to build the experince, then later to prove yourself against the International fleet. Fact is, if you have not got serious $$$$ behind you AFTER buying a boat, you have no chance. Forget just tallent..... You need tallent and $$$$$.

Olympic sailing is a profesional, big dollar sport now days. If you want to make it more within reach, force sailors to work 9 to 5 in a regular, non industry job for starters.


Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: Kris Hathaway] #232566
05/18/11 08:17 AM
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Quote

Sounds like a class that already exists...maybe a foot shorter.



Make that "7 inches shorter" instead of the 12 inches that go into a full foot. The class name may use the number 16 but the hulls are actually a bit longer than that.

The name F16.42 didn't sound as catchy as F16.

Wouter


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Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #232574
05/18/11 10:10 AM
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The ISAF countries are going to continue to vote their self interest.... IE What events do we have a shot at... Nothing like a principled stand for 5 disciplines.

The Tornado, Star and Elliot 6 had one common factor... All dominated by the Pros.... aka too elite for the rest of the ISAF world... they had no chance.

The Match Race circuit was so elite (limited boats and expensive regattas ) that you could not get a slot in the events if you were a small country....

What is the deal with the 470 or 49ner..... Are these classes easier for the little ISAf countries to feel that they have a shot.

I can understand the 470... it's your classic two handed dinghy.. a junior in Japan could be the "lighting in a bottle that Japan" needs for medal and they fit the 470...



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Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #232588
05/18/11 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Why? Make the argument!


It's cheaper to buy one $40k boat every four years, than five, six or seven $20k boats in that same four year period. AHPC builds a very nice product, but they won't last like a carbon/nomex tornado will. Sailing 200+ days a year takes its toll quickly. I think Robbie said they were going through a mainsheet a week while training for Atlanta, just as an example.

It is cheaper to by one boat that will hold up. As far as I know though carbon fiber is still illegal in the Tornado class. Marström Tornados are autoclaved glass-nomex boats. The only carbon Tornado that I knew of was one that Paul Standley of Yankee Laminates built around 95-96 as a trial boat. The class voted against carbon or other composites at the time because it would have made most the fleet obsolete.


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Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: windswept] #232590
05/18/11 07:33 PM
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Mark... for a guy that claims to know everything, you would think you would know that it's 49er not 49ner.

Re: ISAF gets to screw it up this week. [Re: windswept] #232596
05/18/11 10:01 PM
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I stand corrected. All the same, extremely well built to withstand an Olympic campaign, which was the point.


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