| Capsize while gybing #232937 05/29/11 09:20 PM 05/29/11 09:20 PM |
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Posts: 4 | Yesterday we capsized our Infusion during a gybe for reasons I still don't fully understand. As far as I can tell, our capsize looked exactly like this guy's: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xto6u_nacra-20-capsize_sportCan anyone help me analyze what's going wrong here and how to avoid it next time? In our case, I *think* I pulled gradually but firmly on the tiller and didn't luff up too high coming out of the gybe. Helm and crew both crossed the boat normally and were in position on the new windward side. Traveler was about halfway out and spinnaker was retrieved already (we were almost back to our beach). Medium strong wind. It *seemed* we were doing everything normally, but as soon as the boom went across, the stern of the new windward hull was up in the air and we were swimming. Should I have done an "S" gybe (turned back down a bit as the boom came across)? Steered through the slow-go zone even more gradually? Let the traveler out all the way? This is the second time we've capsized this way and we'd really prefer not to repeat our mistake. Any help from the old hands here is deeply appreciated. Chris | | | Re: Capsize while gybing
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#232940 05/29/11 10:12 PM 05/29/11 10:12 PM |
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Posts: 4 | "Should I have done an "S" gybe (turned back down a bit as the boom came across)? Steered through the slow-go zone even more gradually? Let the traveler out all the way?"
I should add, my own guess is the answer is "all of the above."
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#232974 05/30/11 01:20 PM 05/30/11 01:20 PM |
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Posts: 49 Israel, Sdot Yam | We just flipped this same way last weekend. Our 2 main mistakes: Went into the gybe too low and slow (we had to give way coming into the lower mark) - speed is your best friend while gybing And, if you are slow, and especially without spinnaker - definately perform an S gybe
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#232977 05/30/11 02:03 PM 05/30/11 02:03 PM |
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Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa | I'd add, pull the main over by grabbing the sheets and swinging the boom to the new side. At the moment you feel it catching steer into your "S" Gybe. And lastly I'd have the crew moving back. Hobie Tiger 2003 | | | Re: Capsize while gybing
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#233029 05/31/11 11:07 AM 05/31/11 11:07 AM |
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Posts: 976 France | On a related topic: I reviewed Georges Tillard's Catamaran Sailing DVD last night and noticed that it recommends easing the main a bit during a gybe and then trimming in again after. I wasn't taught to do this and wonder if others regularly do it or not. (I was taught "Keep the main tight downwind, it's your backstay.") I never release the main jybing, but it may be due to the fact that I sail mostly solo: not enough hands to handle yet another line! And I don't keep it *that* tight, there is a bit of twist in there. This said your mast should be safe even if you release the main a bit while you jybe: the spi doesn't pull that hard as it is not sheeted in fully powered and as long as the mast rotation is fully off the diamond should hold the mast together. Plus F18 masts are bulletproof. Incidentally I noticed in Carnac that both the Cirrus R, some of the top WildCat and the Phantom were equipped with a little line to force the rotation of the mast, no idea when they use it, but I could see it helping to protect your mast in rough conditions. Don't forget to release it when you jybe however  | | | Re: Capsize while gybing
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Posts: 49 Israel, Sdot Yam | If you can't sail fast because of traffic, beach etc. than heading up and tacking is definately a good alternative to a slow gybe. However, if it is just the strong conditions causing you to flip, beware - the bear-away in strong wind is way more dangerous than a fast gybe, and much more difficult to get right Just got reminded of that this weekend - an hour and 2 races after flipping from the slow gybe in ~18knots, the wind had risen and was measured at 25 knots, gusting over 30. Did a gradual bear away at high speed at the top mark, easing mainsheet and traveller as we went...me aft on the trapeze, crew by the back beam ... all to no avail ... We righted her easily, but she went straight over on the other side and turtled ... We decided to wait for the rescue boat before trying to right her, and ended up half an hour later with an upright boat and a shredded mainsail. Main lesson remembered - don't let pride overcome judgement, head back in when it gets too hairy...
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#233062 05/31/11 09:06 PM 05/31/11 09:06 PM |
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | Incidentally I noticed in Carnac that both the Cirrus R, some of the top WildCat and the Phantom were equipped with a little line to force the rotation of the mast, no idea when they use it, but I could see it helping to protect your mast in rough conditions. Don't forget to release it when you jybe however I've never seen one used in anything other than light air. Either Ding, or the other Karl call it the anti-bing-banger. ( or something like that.)
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#233092 06/01/11 07:19 AM 06/01/11 07:19 AM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Incidentally I noticed in Carnac that both the Cirrus R, some of the top WildCat and the Phantom were equipped with a little line to force the rotation of the mast, no idea when they use it, but I could see it helping to protect your mast in rough conditions. Don't forget to release it when you jybe however I've never seen one used in anything other than light air. Either Ding, or the other Karl call it the anti-bing-banger. ( or something like that.) It's the anit-bing-bonger. A term coined by Jake Kohl. Seems to be catching on nicely.
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#233291 06/07/11 07:34 AM 06/07/11 07:34 AM |
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Posts: 4 | Always control the main, sheet in and travel in coming into the gybe and ease it out slowly coming out of the gybe, this means you have control to de-power out of the gybe. Thanks for the suggestion. This is exactly what I started doing this week -- especially in spinnaker-less gybes while getting in position for a start -- and the boat feels much more in control. | | | Re: Capsize while gybing
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | it would seem that on today's high performance cats, the traveler is a more important sail control than that mainsheet...
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