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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Mike Hill] #240617
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Originally Posted by Mike Hill
I'd be willing to type about it. Give all kinds of opinions about it. Then not do it.


I knew I could count on you. laugh I reckon you'll have a big team.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240620
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
As far as sponsors go, that would be up to the teams. These guys aren't trying to make a business model or spectacle out of it.


But that is severely limiting the participant pool. You are already limiting it to people who would be willing and to do it. By forcing the sailors to come up with the money themselves, you are also limited it by those who can either afford it, or drum up their own sponsorship. These are radically different skill sets IMHO. The kind of people that are willing and able to sail a beach-cat 1000 miles (possibly non-stop,) are not the same kind of people who are well moneyed, nor are they the kind of salesmen that they can get companies to cough up the necessary cash. Sure there are examples of people who can pull things together well enough for a one-off type event (crossing the Atlantic or whatever,) but an annual race is a whole different ballgame.

Either way, asking sailors if they are interested is pointless, you don't need a whole lot of sailors to participate. What you need to make this sort of thing successful are organizations.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240622
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Didn't Worrell start out as a bar bet?


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: pgp] #240624
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I see the beginnings of the "1,000 Ruble Cup" race. I'd even be willing to post the prize of 1,000 Russian Rubles if I can find some...

Not having competed in Watertribe events, I like the concept: a few stops where you register your team, date, time (so you know where your competition is if they're out of sight), you complete at your own pace, and there are loose classes in which to compete in if you choose.

If you want to build to an unlimited class, that's cool.

If you want some OD action, get others in your class to sign up.

If you just want to "bucket-list" it, show up.

What I have no clue about (amongst my vast expanse of cluelessness) is how difficult the organizer's job would be (and how costly) to set up the lock boxes and other stuff behind the scenes?

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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: daniel_t] #240626
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Originally Posted by daniel_t
Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
As far as sponsors go, that would be up to the teams. These guys aren't trying to make a business model or spectacle out of it.


But that is severely limiting the participant pool. You are already limiting it to people who would be willing and to do it. By forcing the sailors to come up with the money themselves, you are also limited it by those who can either afford it, or drum up their own sponsorship. These are radically different skill sets IMHO. The kind of people that are willing and able to sail a beach-cat 1000 miles (possibly non-stop,) are not the same kind of people who are well moneyed, nor are they the kind of salesmen that they can get companies to cough up the necessary cash. Sure there are examples of people who can pull things together well enough for a one-off type event (crossing the Atlantic or whatever,) but an annual race is a whole different ballgame.

Either way, asking sailors if they are interested is pointless, you don't need a whole lot of sailors to participate. What you need to make this sort of thing successful are organizations.


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By forcing the sailors to come up with the money themselves

Really??? Are you looking for a handout?

I've done 4 Worrell 1000s and 4 Tybee 500s, and a ton of other distance races. I suck at getting sponsorship, and I'm a carpenter( not exactly rich). If I can make it happen ,anyone can. I never had a Race organizer pay for anything, haven't even heard of it. No race organization is going to fund you to race, be realistic.



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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: bvining] #240627
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Originally Posted by bvining
I think Mike wants to pull a Randy.


And how'd that work out... not too good.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240628
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I would be interested in it more along the bucket list effect. No way in hell would I have a team that would even be close, but I would love to be able to gibe it my best shot and complete the distance.

Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240630
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Are any of the beachcats able to do it non-stop? Carry enough provisions and three guys to sail 1,000 miles?


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240631
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By non-stop, it means that the boat is non-stop and just beaches in pre-determined places to swap one crew member and then carry on. the crew member is driven to the next stop and catches a few z's on the way.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: pgp] #240632
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Originally Posted by pgp
Are any of the beachcats able to do it non-stop? Carry enough provisions and three guys to sail 1,000 miles?

Those guys went from Long Island to France a few years back on a beach cat (or similar). Thats 3,636 miles (via plane). For some reason i couldn't find directions on Mapquest how far the "drive" would be smile

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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by TeamChums
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yes, except for the OD part.

Box rule, anything goes...



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Round the clock sailing? Bring on the racks, man.

Todd? F18 and F20 only? WT F?


And N-20, Tornado, F-16,etc...one design. I would assume.
I'm just a sounding board for this and really know no more than I've posted. They may want to do a box rule, (he said one design) , don't know , but to me that would just create a hellacious arms race and reduce overall participation, just MY opinion.
It sounds as if they may be shooting for absolute minimum hassle from an organizing stand point ergo the Teams are responsible for everything deal, safety, lodging, bail,etc..
And PTP thanks for the vote of confidence ,if the interest and participation aren't there, then you are right it probably won't happen.If there is interest ,hopefully it will.


If that's the case Richard and I'll do it if we can get an Orma 60, or maybe borrow Playstation for a week or so... laugh


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240634
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Hang on a second. How many 4ksb's make this trip routinely? The trip itself is doable, how fast is the question.

I'm thinking a young, skilled crew (3 lean, smallish guys) on a 20 something could make the trip without stopping on the beach to switch anything.

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A beach cat endurance race organized with legs and stopovers with entertainment and such seems like a better idea. It might be quite difficult to promote an offshore race that is 'go as fast and as long as you can' and stop wherever, from a media stand point. I think not having defined stops also is a recipe for fatigue, poor team planning outcomes, and lack of general race support and cohesion. Just my two cents.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240636
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There's a huge difference between doing it on a 4ksb and an open beach cat. I've done a lot of racing offshore, and it's not too hard to push a boat 24 hrs a day when you can go below, get some hot food and catch some z's off watch. Doing that on a beach cat would be impossible...

Now if I can build a monster set of cat trax for the R33, and get a team of pushers - it's game on!!!

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laugh I'll be surprised if you don't get a few youngish volunteers wanting to do the impossible.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: mikekrantz] #240638
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
Doing that on a beach cat would be impossible...


A bit off topic (i know how everyone loves that)...

a real exciting race would be.... a race from the keys to x, who ever goes the furthest without stopping.

I am sure the logistics of this would be insane, but that would be exciting to see

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wouldn't even have to have a defined start/finish date. Just post your GPS track from a specified starting point (say Smather's beach, Key West) and wherever it touches land, that's your "official" stop point

So you could have this "race" all year long with everyone posting their trips... End of year winner is tallied and gets a sweaty sock.


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Hold that thought. That's kinda what I had in mind with the Raid Ybel. You and I of course are the current world champions...


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: pgp] #240642
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Originally Posted by pgp
Hang on a second. How many 4ksb's make this trip routinely? The trip itself is doable, how fast is the question.

I'm thinking a young, skilled crew (3 lean, smallish guys) on a 20 something could make the trip without stopping on the beach to switch anything.


You're talking about anything from 96 to 170 hours of time on the water. Planning to sleep on a beach cat over that time span would be impractical. Only in light to moderate conditions could you possibly catch any z's while underway - and you can't plan for those conditions to happen. I wouldn't think a non-stop trip is practical on a OD racing beach cat under 20' where on-board sleep will be required.

If someone does sort it out, carrying the third person and provisions for the entire trip would be more of a time/speed penalty that pulling into the beach every 12 hours.







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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by pgp
Hang on a second. How many 4ksb's make this trip routinely? The trip itself is doable, how fast is the question.

I'm thinking a young, skilled crew (3 lean, smallish guys) on a 20 something could make the trip without stopping on the beach to switch anything.


You're talking about anything from 96 to 170 hours of time on the water. Planning to sleep on a beach cat over that time span would be impractical. Only in light to moderate conditions could you possibly catch any z's while underway - and you can't plan for those conditions to happen. I wouldn't think a non-stop trip is practical on a OD racing beach cat under 20' where on-board sleep will be required.

If someone does sort it out, carrying the third person and provisions for the entire trip would be more of a time/speed penalty that pulling into the beach every 12 hours.


Ah, but the glory!

Any marathoners, Iron Man types out there? Can this be done?


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