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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: rexdenton] #240730
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Originally Posted by rexdenton

If that's the case Richard and I'll do it if we can get an Orma 60, or maybe borrow Playstation for a week or so... laugh


You're going to have a tough time sailing Playstation since it became a camera platform for Morning Light.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240731
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To confirm....Team Seacats = in. We're already in the planning/scheming stage and most of the personnel have expressed commitment.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Jake] #240732
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by Alan'osauras
Haha, ok. To each his own.

Costly and dangerous sounds like every other interesting thing one can do with ones life nowadays. I for one cannot afford a OD boat that can do what I want. But I can build one. Driving a car is dangerous too. It is lack of experience that is dangerous. Hence the reason for waivers and self managed races. I think open class by definition drives up participation. If you don't want home built boats in the race that's cool too. I just think it would be a cooler race that more people would enter. Run what you brung doesn't mean that OD cant enter or have a "class" its just ALL inclusive. A race like this will be as much about the boat as the sailors. Breaking down in a million dollar carbon eggshell is not fast and neither is staying awake for 11 days straight. Those watertribe races have a 50% finish rate for a reason and it's not because half of the boats break down.
-Alan




Alan,
If you can't afford a used N-20 or F-18 how can you build something faster for less. If you can, you're missing out on a great business opportunity.
My idea of dangerous is 18-20 ft. boat with 10' beams and 8-10' aluminum frame racks on each side. With all the righting moment they will pitchpole and with a 15' drop to the mast it's just a matter of how bad you're gonna be hurt, not if.


Todd - you act like you've never seem him build something. Dude's got mad skillz. http://www.sailnaway.blogspot.com/

My favorite Alan construction pic has the best of both (actually, three) worlds:

[Linked Image]


I know he's got mad skills, I'm an Alan fan. Skills or not you couldn't get the materials to build a faster (my words not Alan's) than F-18 or N-20 boat for the cost of a used F-18n or N-20. And it is a race so why would you want to build something slower unless you were testing some new ideas, which would be my guess on his plan.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: mikekrantz] #240733
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
There's a huge difference between doing it on a 4ksb and an open beach cat. I've done a lot of racing offshore, and it's not too hard to push a boat 24 hrs a day when you can go below, get some hot food and catch some z's off watch. Doing that on a beach cat would be impossible...

Now if I can build a monster set of cat trax for the R33, and get a team of pushers - it's game on!!!


You know Chris and I are in! Bet Dave L can build em......although, those trax might be a little scary........


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240734
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"Excellent. Now to get you on my team."

Ok, so now I should open the floor to bids for my skipper or crew skills for this as of yet theoretical race to help pay for my less expensive than OD boat.

Also, I'm gonna go ahead and say that she's gonna be at least as fast as an F-18 or a N-20. BAM!


Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Alan'osauras] #240735
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Originally Posted by Alan'osauras
"Excellent. Now to get you on my team."

Ok, so now I should open the floor to bids for my skipper or crew skills for this as of yet theoretical race to help pay for my less expensive than USED OD boat.

Also, I'm gonna go ahead and say that she's gonna be at least as fast as an F-18 or a N-20. BAM!



Right on.
Theoretical smack talk for a theoretical race.
This is the tri in your blog, I take it?
Looks awesome.So what will you have in it after hardware sails and everything? And will it beat Scizzors?
Oh yeah, I fixed your post.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240736
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I haven't added it up yet but i work at a boat shop so i do a lot of dumpster diving.
Will it beat sizzor? I don't know. Like you said it's an obstacle course. Randy's gonna switch to a kayak for the river so he'll be faster there but I will be 2^up so I should be able to get there first if I can go nonstop. Who knows. By river I mean rock-garden http://rogermannadventures.blogspot.com/

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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240737
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F-18 skipper looking to crew this race. 6'1" 240 can fly in and bring my own gear. Any teams looking for a third?


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: F-18 5150] #240743
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I got confused. What's the course again? Miami to Virginia, around the FL Penninsula, or everyone ganging up on the Everglades challenge?

Come to think of it, I'd suspect that a good gauge of participation in "the race" would be who enters other distance stuff like GT300, Steeplechase, RTI pensacola, etc.

Might also be a good way to "cross-sell" this proposed race to other similarly experienced and interested teams.



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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240748
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Can I sail my Stiletto 23? Please? It holds so much more beer than a Nacra smile

Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240786
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If you don't want one design limitations, but you also don't want someone showing up with a custom made boat. Simply make a rule that whatever boat you sail, there has to be at least 500 others just like it in existence. (Change the number if you think that is too high/low.)

That way, if someone wants to make a custom boat, there will be an incentive to make a new class.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240823
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
No opinions or suggestions were asked for. The question was simply "would you do the race as described"?
I think it would be great for the sport . The Worrell certainly was.I'm sure a bunch of douchebags that were never involved with it will now bring up it's demise.


I'd do it.
I've done Rough Riders over 12-15 times; GT300 5 times
Currently 156#'s, tip top shape (Masters Swim Team), etc.
And, I'd bring some awesome homebrew beer!
Who needs a team member?


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240841
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Alan's ties run deep in the TVS crowd. He already knows who he'll be sailing with (Bailey and me).

So, if this does come to fruition, TVS would probably put a boat on the line. Sailor vs. sailor, not vs. boat.
OD!

Tad, Derek, Ryan, Allie, and Dr. Kate will surely see us up the coast.
Bailey, you dig?

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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #240865
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Sounds cool. We could have a great team with TVS. My only concern is safety. Last Tybee our greater team had a guy get separated, get in a very scary situation, activate his EPIRB and get rescued all by noon on a Tuesday morning. It really shook up his team but in the grand scheme of things it was really mild compared to what the 1Ker could bring. (catchy name - 1Ker?)

I know others have done it before, but I don't want to see anyone get seriously hurt. Any thoughts on what would help avoid a serious situation where boats are spread out, it's dark and cold in heavy air, and something really bad happens?

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<**** event. The boats will definitely be spread out, it will be dark 1/2 the time, and depending on when they run it it could be cold(It was in may,at night). The safest way to negotiate all of these obstacles is to stay home and play video games.


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Alan'osauras] #240909
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Originally Posted by Alan'osauras
"Excellent. Now to get you on my team."

Ok, so now I should open the floor to bids for my skipper or crew skills for this as of yet theoretical race to help pay for my less expensive than OD boat.



Shouldn't we get Team Watertribe? I mean we should have no problem with finding ground crew volunteers. and we may talk Randy into it.

Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #241050
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Colin and I are in 100%.

The specific rules don't matter we are down for whatever race gets put on.

As far as the type of boat, OD, etc. I think it should be as open as possible to encourage participation. There should be some upper limit so that a cruiser doesn't just do the race non stop. I'm thinking a big broad box rule ie less than 22 feet no cabins or engines, ok go. It needs some more detail, but I like the line of thought.

No lower limit. They did the course on hobie 16s in the past, why not again?

Todd is right no matter what its not going to be 100% safe, and that's part of the fun.

In the 2000-2002 Worrells there was quite a bit of sponsorship. Obviously it wasn't NASCAR, but there were sponsors. The sponsors dwindled after the Worrell died, I think largely do to the Tybee for a variety of reasons never being as well publicized as its predecessor. The Worrell was in almost every newspaper up the coast and I can remember multiple evening news stories.

Whatever race forms, marketing is the key, not just to the competitors, but to outside parties. Distance racing is cool and there is always plenty of drama. I haven't done a Tybee that wasn't full of great moments and stories, from both the racing and the people. Its a matter of getting those out to interested parties. If the world cup of handball can make ESPN 3 so can we.


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You guys need Dana Brown. I think that's his name. He did "Dust To Glory" which was about the Baja 1000, and his father made "Endless Summer".


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Re: East Coast endurance race, would you do it? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #241060
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Why not add the Corsairs / Farrier trimaran classes?
They can sail cleanup
(if the regatta could use a bit more safety/insurance/towing an offshore dis-masted cat/or fallen crew pickup?).

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Originally Posted by sail7seas
Why not add the Corsairs / Farrier trimaran classes?
They can sail cleanup
(if the regatta could use a bit more safety/insurance/towing an offshore dis-masted cat/or fallen crew pickup?).


They we go. Now I'd be in. Must be gettin' old...

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