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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: NacramanUK] #242976
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Very, very cool!

It does have the making over here to go singlehanded as a OD class IF PROPERLY MARKETED. I would buy one as a UNI w/spin over a F16.

The F16 class can't figure out what it is..single or sloop but most would contend it is sloop class. Measurement rating systems world-wide also suggest the F16 is 2 separate boats with the AUS yardstick being spot on with the data I have collected. That being said, the new Nacra 17 has CURVED FOILS!!!

At the 17'6" length, it will sail better than the F16. Don't ask me how I might know!

Peace out!
wink



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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #242979
01/25/12 10:47 AM
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The F16 Class has already 'figured out what it is', it's a class that allows the flexability to race two up or Uni, uncorrected.

That's the way WE like it.

Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it's not a legit class.

How many F17 NA's and Worlds have their been?

I didn't see a single F17 at Tradewinds.

I did see a single Hobie 17, and it was very nice...but lonely.

Get over yourself Bob.


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Timbo] #242989
01/25/12 11:50 AM
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Funny! In a lot of ways, I'm WAY past and over you guys. I was simply expressing my opinion that I spent 20 years of my life defending to do!

Do you or anybody else have a problem with that? I won a bet on who would answer first!!

Now go feed the horses, I am!
Later.


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #242992
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So now you have lowered yourself to Master Flame Baiter?

I thought you were better than that.



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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Bob_Curry] #242995
01/25/12 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob_Curry
The F16 class can't figure out what it is..single or sloop

And which of these is it you're saying the new 17 is?

Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #242998
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Does anyone know who makes Nacra's masts?


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #242999
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Yes, I know who makes their carbon masts...pm me for an answer

Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: ] #243000
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And which of these is it you're saying the new 17 is?


I think it will be one OR the other as a racing class es...

Obviously with the mixed multihull submission... it's going as a two person spin boat.

Curry's point is that WITH THE RIGHT MARKETING.... It could work as a single handed spin boat stand alone class... the advantage it would have over a formula class (F16) is that as a SMOD.....You won't be on development cycle like A cats... or in fear that a light and legal F16 appears that undermines your investment. (He argues that it will sail better at that lenght)

So, We don't think Nacra will make the error of saying... One up and two up... are equal... The sailors that join together to form a class (the one up class .... or the two up class) would not make that mistake. At the club level... race F16 N17 and F18 even up.. or on handicap... what ever floats your boat the best.



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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Mark Schneider] #243001
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
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And which of these is it you're saying the new 17 is?


I think it will be one OR the other as a racing class es...

Obviously with the mixed multihull submission... it's going as a two person spin boat.

Curry's point is that WITH THE RIGHT MARKETING.... It could work as a single handed spin boat stand alone class... the advantage it would have over a formula class (F16) is that as a SMOD.....You won't be on development cycle like A cats... or in fear that a light and legal F16 appears that undermines your investment. (He argues that it will sail better at that lenght)

So, We don't think Nacra will make the error of saying... One up and two up... are equal... The sailors that join together to form a class (the one up class .... or the two up class) would not make that mistake. At the club level... race F16 N17 and F18 even up.. or on handicap... what ever floats your boat the best.


Given the sail area of the 17 and forecasted performance, it could only be a 2 man boat....... unless you had a set of balls the size of the moon wink

Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: NacramanUK] #243002
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Given the sail area of the 17 and forecasted performance, it could only be a 2 man boat....... unless you had a set of balls the size of the moon

OK now!!!! what is it's rating in texel or schrs?


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: NacramanUK] #243005
01/25/12 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Given the sail area of the 17 and forecasted performance, it could only be a 2 man boat....... unless you had a set of balls the size of the moon wink


Apparently, Bob thinks his are and will need them to right that sucker single handed! grin

Should be a wild ride and will be interesting to see curve foils on a smaller platform. Hopefully, the boat will be ready by mid-March for the trials.


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Kennethsf] #243007
01/25/12 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kennethsf
it is 50kg lighter then an F18


You're right. I was thinking of the F18 min platform weight. It should be fast.


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #243021
01/25/12 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchpoledave
[Linked Image]
New Nacra 17footer
Double handed
Curved foils

www.nacra.ca



Does it also come with a wing? Price?


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Luiz] #243038
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Originally Posted by Luiz
Does it also come with a wing? Price?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. wink

Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #243040
01/25/12 11:27 PM
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Does it come with a two piece mast option...so it fits in a 20 foot container? That might be a hint as to it's target.

Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: pitchpoledave] #243041
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I thought they dumped the 20' requirement.


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: David Parker] #243043
01/26/12 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by David Parker
Does it come with a two piece mast option...so it fits in a 20 foot container? That might be a hint as to it's target.
yep

Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Bob_Curry] #243045
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Quote


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I would buy one as a UNI w/spin over a F16.
....
The F16 class can't figure out ...
...
Measurement rating systems world-wide also suggest the F16 is ...
...
At the 17'6" length, it will sail better than the F16.
...



Bobs posting : 7 sentences with 4 references to the F16's and none to other makes.


I think the F16 class is proving to be quite secure as long as the F16's are used as the benchmark against which to weight any new design. Especially when done so by the likes of Bob Curry.

Regards,

Wouter


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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Wouter] #243046
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Other then that, that picture of the nacra 17 looks exactly like the one in the official release brochure of the nacra F16 with the inward canted boards replaced by curved ones.

What was that saying again ?

Imitation is the best form of flattery ?


Wouter

Last edited by Wouter; 01/26/12 05:05 AM.

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Re: New Nacra 17 [Re: Wouter] #243052
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How many of you saw that coming? Bob you are evil! smile


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