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Spinnaker sheets wrapped... #243075
01/26/12 04:56 PM
01/26/12 04:56 PM
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John Williams Offline OP
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Every once in a while, usually once or twice a season and irrespective of which spin boat I'm sailing, my leeward spin sheet will get wrapped on the crew dogbone/Hobie handle/trap loop as I set and sheet in for the first run. It actually happened to me twice at Tradewinds; once when Mike and McKenzie were just below us in a tight rounding - it was an unwelcome addition to the already-exciting situation. It only seems to occur when it is breeze on, and only in the set. I've tried keeping the sheets coiled on the port (leeward for the set) and starboard sides of the tramp, and it happens even if I have the sheets through a retainer in the back of the trampoline (skipper country). It invariably delays sheeting in and pulling hard just makes it worse, as your pulling down on the crew's trapeze line (or cable) while the kite just flogs.

Spin crews - have you seen this? Suggestions for prevention (beyond not sailing with a kite wink )?


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Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: John Williams] #243077
01/26/12 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by John Williams
Every once in a while, usually once or twice a season and irrespective of which spin boat I'm sailing, my leeward spin sheet will get wrapped on the crew dogbone/Hobie handle/trap loop as I set and sheet in for the first run. It actually happened to me twice at Tradewinds; once when Mike and McKenzie were just below us in a tight rounding - it was an unwelcome addition to the already-exciting situation. It only seems to occur when it is breeze on, and only in the set. I've tried keeping the sheets coiled on the port (leeward for the set) and starboard sides of the tramp, and it happens even if I have the sheets through a retainer in the back of the trampoline (skipper country). It invariably delays sheeting in and pulling hard just makes it worse, as your pulling down on the crew's trapeze line (or cable) while the kite just flogs.

Spin crews - have you seen this? Suggestions for prevention (beyond not sailing with a kite wink )?


Haven't experienced that - but maybe the skipper could take the slack up on the leeward sheet as the kite comes up? (careful not to sheet in and make the hoist harder). When driving, I've been working on getting most of the slack out of the sheet and having it held up so the crew can grab it and be almost home with the sheet when they're ready for it. (however, I completely forgot about working on this at Tradewinds).


Jake Kohl
Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: John Williams] #243084
01/26/12 08:36 PM
01/26/12 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by John Williams
Every once in a while, usually once or twice a season and irrespective of which spin boat I'm sailing, my leeward spin sheet will get wrapped on the crew dogbone/Hobie handle/trap loop as I set and sheet in for the first run. It actually happened to me twice at Tradewinds; once when Mike and McKenzie were just below us in a tight rounding - it was an unwelcome addition to the already-exciting situation. It only seems to occur when it is breeze on, and only in the set. I've tried keeping the sheets coiled on the port (leeward for the set) and starboard sides of the tramp, and it happens even if I have the sheets through a retainer in the back of the trampoline (skipper country). It invariably delays sheeting in and pulling hard just makes it worse, as your pulling down on the crew's trapeze line (or cable) while the kite just flogs.

Spin crews - have you seen this? Suggestions for prevention (beyond not sailing with a kite wink )?


I think Dave Lennard has some slick sheet retraction/tensioning set-up, it may have come from Alex S. That should stop it.


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Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: John Williams] #243087
01/26/12 08:47 PM
01/26/12 08:47 PM

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There is a thread somewhere in either the F16 or Mossie forums about simple system that sucks your excess sheet into the snuffer along with the kite. Basically an extra retreival point.

Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: ] #243099
01/26/12 10:29 PM
01/26/12 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
... simple system that sucks your excess sheet into the snuffer along with the kite.

You may be thinking of the approach Macca described at Racine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR6tLYE8hFE

Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: John Williams] #243100
01/26/12 10:31 PM
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They talk about such a system in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR6tLYE8hFE

They also have a system that pulls the spinnaker sheet retainer ring further aft when the spin is snuffed.


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Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: Jake] #243112
01/27/12 08:40 AM
01/27/12 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake

Haven't experienced that - but maybe the skipper could take the slack up on the leeward sheet as the kite comes up? (careful not to sheet in and make the hoist harder). When driving, I've been working on getting most of the slack out of the sheet and having it held up so the crew can grab it and be almost home with the sheet when they're ready for it. (however, I completely forgot about working on this at Tradewinds).


That's what I do and we've never had the issue you're describing. See, skippers aren't total loads.


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Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: daniel_t] #243113
01/27/12 08:42 AM
01/27/12 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by daniel_t
They talk about such a system in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR6tLYE8hFE

They also have a system that pulls the spinnaker sheet retainer ring further aft when the spin is snuffed.


Maybe - but I presume the sheet is catching on the handle of the trap as the kite is going up and flogging - so the sheets might already be pulled out of the snuffer at that point.

I just had a duh-huh idea...I use trapeze donuts instead of the t-shaped item for trap handles and the sheet thing has never happened since. Betcha a hug from your girl that this will take care of it.

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Re: Spinnaker sheets wrapped... [Re: Jake] #243115
01/27/12 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake
Betcha a hug from your girl that this will take care of it.


HAHAH


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