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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: John Williams] #246229
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Interview with Thijs Visser who attended the ISAF event:
http://catsailingnews.blogspot.com.ar/2012/03/olympic-trials-q-with-thijs-visser.html

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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Tony_F18] #246233
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, this mixed sailing is quite tricky… It will be nice if your coach also is a relationship therapist I think… And there are also some practical downsides like: the waiting for the girls to get dressed to go on the water and that one is able to take a pie after the 5 minute signal and the other can't…
The upside is that there is always someone with a hairdryer to make you do a quicker polyester repair during night! And it was a lot more social after sailing, I hope it will stay like that!


I am telling you... It's gonna be the best reality TV show in sports!


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: John Williams] #246235
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Dude I say that every weekend when I sail with my wife.


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: F-18 5150] #246238
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Ha.... an expert!!

What are the keys to managing the mixed team?

Relationship coach?
Pee in the 5 minutes sequence guidelines?
Time at the launch waiting tips?
What can you do and not do at the party with ahem fraternizing?

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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: John Williams] #246239
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Here is the Key.
Honey on the boat we are not married we are skipper and crew. If you would like to discuss what I just asked for we will have plenty of time to talk while we get ready to right the boat. Or you can do what I ask when I ask and we can keep sailing. Either way I will say I'm sorry as soon as we are safely on the beach.
Love you but till then you are crew.


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: F-18 5150] #246241
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Skipper and crew....... sounds like Husband and Wife...

I don't think that skipper and crew's gonna work in this day and age. the power relationships seem a bit traditional...

perhaps you could evolve to helm and sheet... and do better on the course and off??? blush



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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: Wouter] #246242
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Originally Posted by Wouter
Another example, A wingsailobviously works in the C-class but doesn't in the A-cats. We saw that again a few years ago.

Wouter,

I think that you will find if you speak with Ben, his wing needed more development. Once that wing went to the BMWO camp, they modified it some and got it to work much better than it did when they recieved it. I think that if someone puts the time and effort into the wing that the C-Class guys do in developing theirs, you will have a competitive wing. I think it is the cost factor stopping this from happening.


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Mark Schneider] #246245
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Ha.... an expert!!

What are the keys to managing the mixed team?

Relationship coach?
Pee in the 5 minutes sequence guidelines?
Time at the launch waiting tips?
What can you do and not do at the party with ahem fraternizing?

You guys talk about this like it's some novel invention.

I sailed with my wife as my only crew for 10 years - and still do occasionally. (She's gotten tired of the "stand in a cold shower, dressed in a rubber suit, ripping up $100 bills while I beat her with a stick" routine.)

I've had lots of different female crews (including my daughter since she was about 8 years old) in the last 20 years since my wife stopped crewing regularly (being pregnant / taking care of the kid will do that).

This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting.

Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246246
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Also, on the whole Wing sail thing, would it be 'doable' on a single handed boat like the A cat, or are there more strings to pull to tweek it, ie. more than the 3 the A cat skipper has to deal with now, Downhaul, outhaul, mainsheet, or would it require a second set of hands if you developed multiple 'flap' sections, segments, etc. Or are there mabye less strings, making it 'easier' perhaps?

I only got to see Ben's wing up close once, but it was pretty neet, my problem would be crash survivability, as we've seen in both the C's and the A/C 45's, when you fall on it, it's game over for the day, unless you've got a spare in the trailer box.

Still you're out for that race where as with our current sails, there's a pretty good chance you won't bust it if you do fall on it.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246247
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"This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting."


You say it like it's a bad thing, all this scratching and farting! I don't even like sailing, but I LOVE standing around with a bunch of guys, drinking beer, scratching and farting, without my WIFE there, to tell me to quit!

It's really the only reason I sail...


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: F-18 5150] #246249
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Originally Posted by F-18 5150
Here is the Key.
Honey on the boat we are not married we are skipper and crew. If you would like to discuss what I just asked for we will have plenty of time to talk while we get ready to right the boat. Or you can do what I ask when I ask and we can keep sailing. Either way I will say I'm sorry as soon as we are safely on the beach.
Love you but till then you are crew.



Exactly
I started sailing and racing cats with my now wife (gf back then in Mexico) and before , in the middle and at the end of each race I remarked her that all my rants, were on my own frustration and that she didn´t have to take it personally.
Something like above "We are just racing, you are a crew"

No wonder the Mex fleet said to me that she valued her weight in gold for continue racing! haa but we had the best time together, specially at the 2004 H16 Worlds.

We trained at Valle de Bravo Lake and the first race in Playa del Carmen was held in +20knots and huge waves... it was tough, with 1 year of sailing only. No wonder I married her later!

Back in Arg with the F18 launched , we didn´t race again. Maybe with an F16 in the future?

Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: Timbo] #246250
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I'll just leave these right here . . . a small sampling.
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Every woman in those photos is a Hobie 16 crew and/or skipper. (Taken at the 2011 Hobie 16 NAs.)

Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246252
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That one chick is uuuuugly. And she needs a shave.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: mbounds] #246253
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easy - no need for relationship therapist -

give her the tiller and STFU. Rail meat's not supposed to talk anyway. Only answer questions related to speed, course, time/distance to line/mark, and other boat positions.

Fast teams share information while sailing (when necessary), not critique, postulation, or "feelings".

So... you may not have the luxury of :

"dearest crew person, it has come to my attention that perhaps one or more of our sails has become overtaxed in its current configuration by the developing wind and sea state .

If, pray tell, you find it within your already busy schedule to ease some of the tension on this particular sail control line located 24 centimeters to the starboard of the mast base with the red and white flecked cover, it would certainly assist our efforts in reducing the tendency of this sailing craft to invert.

I thank you in advance for your consideration of my request, and look forward, with eager anticipation, to your thoughts regarding this potential course of action. "

Where relationship therapy needs to be is if my spouse ever took interest in sailing. "move the thing over to there!" seems to leave me wanting for a bit more....detail?


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Originally Posted by mbounds
(She's gotten tired of the "stand in a cold shower, dressed in a rubber suit, ripping up $100 bills while I beat her with a stick" routine.)


Straight up kinky Matt.



Originally Posted by mbounds
This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting.


Yeah, but how much of that has to do with teams needing to be light, last I checked a team was deemed as non-competitive at 285.25 lbs. I know, its not that bad, but still. Over 300, and having high expectations is kinda out of the question isn't it?

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I think what he is saying is that every class has a Class Culture.. The Hobie 16 class is what you see.

I will note that this class gets the highest participation at NA's of any catamaran class in North America. AND its among the top 10 or 15 OD classes in the country. (RogerJolley annual report)

So... if you want some answers to the giggle questions I asked..... ASK THOSE GUYS AND GALS!!!

(its not a new problem.... just new to some folks)

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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: waterbug_wpb] #246262
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
easy - no need for relationship therapist -

give her the tiller and STFU. Rail meat's not supposed to talk anyway. Only answer questions related to speed, course, time/distance to line/mark, and other boat positions.

Fast teams share information while sailing (when necessary), not critique, postulation, or "feelings".

So... you may not have the luxury of :

"dearest crew person, it has come to my attention that perhaps one or more of our sails has become overtaxed in its current configuration by the developing wind and sea state .

If, pray tell, you find it within your already busy schedule to ease some of the tension on this particular sail control line located 24 centimeters to the starboard of the mast base with the red and white flecked cover, it would certainly assist our efforts in reducing the tendency of this sailing craft to invert.

I thank you in advance for your consideration of my request, and look forward, with eager anticipation, to your thoughts regarding this potential course of action. "

Where relationship therapy needs to be is if my spouse ever took interest in sailing. "move the thing over to there!" seems to leave me wanting for a bit more....detail?



Jay's Wife: "Well Jay, how does that make you feel, when I ask you to trim the jib tighter? Are you mad that I asked you to trim the jib? Are you telling me you think I'm wrong? Or are you saying you just don't want to trim my jib anymore? What's wrong with my jib? Do you think my jib is fat? You wanted to trim HER jib! I saw the way you were looking at her jib, Jay! Admit it, you'd rather trim HER jib, wouldn't you Jay?? Admit it, you think HER jib is nicer than my jib, don't you Jay!"

Jay: "OK, I'll trim your Damn Jib, now Leave me ALONE!!"


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: Timbo] #246264
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Reminds me of your favorite Old Spice ad, Timbo

Look at him, now look at me, now look at him looking at me...


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Karl_Brogger] #246265
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by mbounds
(She's gotten tired of the "stand in a cold shower, dressed in a rubber suit, ripping up $100 bills while I beat her with a stick" routine.)


Straight up kinky Matt.



Originally Posted by mbounds
This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting.


Yeah, but how much of that has to do with teams needing to be light, last I checked a team was deemed as non-competitive at 285.25 lbs. I know, its not that bad, but still. Over 300, and having high expectations is kinda out of the question isn't it?

I've seemed to do ok the last few seasons in the 300-315 range



Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Tom Korz] #246268
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Originally Posted by Tom Korz
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by mbounds
(She's gotten tired of the "stand in a cold shower, dressed in a rubber suit, ripping up $100 bills while I beat her with a stick" routine.)


Straight up kinky Matt.



Originally Posted by mbounds
This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting.


Yeah, but how much of that has to do with teams needing to be light, last I checked a team was deemed as non-competitive at 285.25 lbs. I know, its not that bad, but still. Over 300, and having high expectations is kinda out of the question isn't it?

I've seemed to do ok the last few seasons in the 300-315 range




Proof that "it's not the size of the stick that matters". grin


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