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Broken battlestick #246047
03/24/12 06:48 PM
03/24/12 06:48 PM

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I broke the Carbon Battlestick on my Viper this afternoon. Best way to repair?

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Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246050
03/24/12 07:59 PM
03/24/12 07:59 PM
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I've given up on sticks, consider them expendable, and plan to replace about once a year.


Pete Pollard
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'When you have a lot of things to do, it's best to get your nap out of the way first.

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: pgp] #246053
03/24/12 08:04 PM
03/24/12 08:04 PM
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Go with the arriba fiberglass ones. They work fine aside from being a little heavy (probably the weight of drinking one bottle of water before racing... Or carrying a bottle). They flex more than the carbon ones without breaking.

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246056
03/24/12 08:39 PM
03/24/12 08:39 PM

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I've still got a hot stick in my spare stuff, guess I could convert over to it. I did like to quick connect thing on the Ronstan stick though.

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246069
03/25/12 10:06 AM
03/25/12 10:06 AM
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Totally repairable, and will be cosmetically very subtle. Call Dennis Key of Barefoot Boats - he has experience with this. wink


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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246072
03/25/12 11:12 AM
03/25/12 11:12 AM

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Thanks all. I think I'm going to fix it using fiberglass as carbon fiber isn't readily available here and I need it fixed by next weekend, going to Spring Fever and the camp before hand. My only concern is getting it to set up straight.

What are the advantages of the long, fixed length Sticks as compared to the fiberglass adjustable ones, weight aside? I'm new to the Fixed length, it seemed to be in the way all the time when not trapped out....

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246073
03/25/12 12:57 PM
03/25/12 12:57 PM
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go to the next home depot and buy some bamboo-sticks, afforadable, flexible and lightweight.
cheers

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246088
03/25/12 07:11 PM
03/25/12 07:11 PM
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The long, fixed sticks are something that you have to teach yourself to use. You are exactly right - at first they are always in the way and miserable to use. After some time (prolly different for each sailor) they learn to stay out of your way and you learn to appreciate their simplicity.

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: stampede] #246138
03/26/12 01:11 PM
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or take aluminium tube, it will not brake just bend. Hence you can even fix it on the water.

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246173
03/26/12 03:45 PM
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Sebring, Florida.
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I've been thinking of going to Home Depot and getting a long piece of that white plastic (PVC) lawn sprinkler type pipe, about 1" OD, 8 feet long, and just drill a hole in one end, to pin it to my cross bar.

Light, flexible, and about 1/30th the cost of a $300 carbon fiber battle stick.

On all my previous cats I had a slide-adjustable stick, but on my Blade it's a fixed length. At first I thought it was a PITA when tacking and gybing, but now I'm used to it and I actually prefer it.

I never have to worry about it slipping in or out when I'm doing my thing.


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Re: Broken battlestick [Re: Timbo] #246184
03/26/12 04:23 PM
03/26/12 04:23 PM
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Yep, I got a fixed length glass fibre tiller as well and I will never go back to telescopic setups.

You get used to it pretty quickly and now I prefer it.

Basically what you learn is to lay the tiller on your aft schoulder and steer with your thumb towards your face instead of pointing towards the crossbar.

This lifts the tip of the fixed length tiller sufficiently to clear marks and boats nearby.

Only when your crew is trapezing behind you or aft you is it in the way but this typically only happens under spinnaker and then I trail my tiller extension behind the boat.

Wouter


Wouter Hijink
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Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246185
03/26/12 04:25 PM
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For regards to the broken Tiller

I would just insert a piece of PVC or aly tubing and laminate the tiller back together after it has been slid out to its maximum length.

Make it into a fixed length tiller.


Wouter Hijink
Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild)
The Netherlands
Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246226
03/27/12 08:09 AM
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Daytona Beach Florida
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You might consider an adjustable paint roller handle. Home depot about 20 bucks.

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246257
03/27/12 12:23 PM
03/27/12 12:23 PM
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Northfield Mn
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Paint roller handles piss me off while painting. If I tried using one as a tiller extension I'm about sure that would end in bloodshed.


I'm boatless.
Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246258
03/27/12 12:33 PM
03/27/12 12:33 PM

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Plus using a paint roller as a tiller extension on this new of a boat just seems wrong

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246259
03/27/12 12:40 PM
03/27/12 12:40 PM
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Northfield Mn
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I use a Marstrom adjustable tiller extension and really like it.

NACRA has a similar unit that seems pretty nice, and I've heard good things about the Hobie Cat Europe adjustable ones too.

Two things I really like about the Marstrom one, its light, and its easy to replace just half of it. I don't like the price, I think list is $400. I'm not sure if the NACRA or Hobie ones you can replace just half. The NACRA one does come apart, so maybe?



I can't stand sailing with a fixed tiller. I singlehand a lot which means sitting forward of the beam when its light. I just can't stand swinging that big stick around the shrouds all the time.

Prepare for swinging stick jokes..........


I'm boatless.
Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246261
03/27/12 12:55 PM
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Satellite Beach, FL
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Karl, where did you get the Marstrom stick? I've been looking for a picture of it with no luck. I too would like an adjustable carbon stick but with a Ronstan quick connector so that I don't have to modify my tiller crossbar.


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Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246263
03/27/12 01:10 PM
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Northfield Mn
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Red Gear Racing. Or, I can sell you one.


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Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246285
03/27/12 03:27 PM
03/27/12 03:27 PM
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australia
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We are all using 20mm aluminium from the local hardware store, About 1.2mm wall thickness, It does break if you do bend it put it on your knee and straighten it up. i have done the upgrade of adding some black sail number insignia cloth on the aluminium, to give it a bling look, And the best part is they cost about $10.00. And if they do break ( this is my 4 season with the original) it not too much to replace
Just my 2 cents worth
Richard

Re: Broken battlestick [Re: ] #246442
03/29/12 09:10 AM
03/29/12 09:10 AM
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France
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I've also given up on adjustable stick. They either jam or don't lock at the most inopportune moment! I use carbon sticks, and I break them regularly. But as they were cheap (waynemarlow bought a bundle of them for around 15 each) it is not a big issue. I just install a rubber thingy at one end and put the cheapest golf grip I could find on the other end. Done.


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