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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Mark Schneider] #246269
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Ha.... an expert!!

What are the keys to managing the mixed team?

Relationship coach?
Pee in the 5 minutes sequence guidelines?
Time at the launch waiting tips?
What can you do and not do at the party with ahem fraternizing?


How bout sailing with another sailor you have respect and faith in their ability. It also helps to have your expectations aligned with the level of the event and of your co-sailor. I often sail with my wife, on both the front and the back of the boat. Done it for near 20 years and can't remember any huge disagreement that left the water.

Now....when on different boats, same fleet, THAT'S a whole nother story wink

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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Jake] #246270
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Tom Korz
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by mbounds
(She's gotten tired of the "stand in a cold shower, dressed in a rubber suit, ripping up $100 bills while I beat her with a stick" routine.)


Straight up kinky Matt.



Originally Posted by mbounds
This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting.


Yeah, but how much of that has to do with teams needing to be light, last I checked a team was deemed as non-competitive at 285.25 lbs. I know, its not that bad, but still. Over 300, and having high expectations is kinda out of the question isn't it?

I've seemed to do ok the last few seasons in the 300-315 range




Proof that "it's not the size of the stick that matters". grin


Thanks Jake blush sick grin

Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: Timbo] #246272
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Wing sail has been used on Moths and the A, my understanding is there are equal to or less lines than conventional sails if rigged correctly.

Issue is cost, durability, transportability, and rig-ability. They are really neat but the engineering and materials have a ways to come before its a mass market product IMO.

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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: waterbug_wpb] #246274
03/27/12 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Reminds me of your favorite Old Spice ad, Timbo

Look at him, now look at me, now look at him looking at me...


You mean my Wife's Favorite Ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE&feature=related


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: waterbug_wpb] #246275
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
easy - no need for relationship therapist -

give her the tiller and STFU. Rail meat's not supposed to talk anyway. Only answer questions related to speed, course, time/distance to line/mark, and other boat positions.

Fast teams share information while sailing (when necessary), not critique, postulation, or "feelings".

So... you may not have the luxury of :

"dearest crew person, it has come to my attention that perhaps one or more of our sails has become overtaxed in its current configuration by the developing wind and sea state .

If, pray tell, you find it within your already busy schedule to ease some of the tension on this particular sail control line located 24 centimeters to the starboard of the mast base with the red and white flecked cover, it would certainly assist our efforts in reducing the tendency of this sailing craft to invert.

I thank you in advance for your consideration of my request, and look forward, with eager anticipation, to your thoughts regarding this potential course of action. "

Where relationship therapy needs to be is if my spouse ever took interest in sailing. "move the thing over to there!" seems to leave me wanting for a bit more....detail?


Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: samc99us] #246276
03/27/12 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Wing sail has been used on Moths and the A, my understanding is there are equal to or less lines than conventional sails if rigged correctly.

Issue is cost, durability, transportability, and rig-ability. They are really neat but the engineering and materials have a ways to come before its a mass market product IMO.


As the boats get smaller, there is also a technical trade-off with the extra weight aloft with the wing and pitching moment of the hulls. Ben surmised that the A-cat is pretty close to the threshold where a rigid wing (and the weight built with current technology) added enough to the pitching moment that it slowed the boat about as much as it sped it up. Granted, wave conditions play a big role here.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246280
03/27/12 01:53 PM
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Curved foils limit some pitching?


I'm boatless.
Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Mark Schneider] #246282
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RE: mixed sailing I bump this video because it's amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwgT7RnYe4g
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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: Timbo] #246284
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Originally Posted by Timbo
You say it like it's a bad thing, all this scratching and farting! I don't even like sailing, but I LOVE standing around with a bunch of guys, drinking beer, scratching and farting, without my WIFE there, to tell me to quit!

It's really the only reason I sail...


Wow. Just, wow...

Mike

Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Karl_Brogger] #246292
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[quote=Karl_Brogger

Yeah, but how much of that has to do with teams needing to be light, last I checked a team was deemed as non-competitive at 285.25 lbs. I know, its not that bad, but still. Over 300, and having high expectations is kinda out of the question isn't it? [/quote]

5th place Team Anthony Duchatel and his Crew were over 320 lbs.Karl you have also had the privelege like myself to race against (and be beaten) by Mr. Jagger.He has never sailed at anything but well over 360 Lbs.

Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: John Williams] #246298
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Really? Ted is 360#'s? I always thought he was adding some weight to make minimum.

Still, how much of the mostly mixed H16 teams has to do with needing to get weight down?

and Mike, don't get all sensitive on me.


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Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials [Re: Karl_Brogger] #246314
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Karl you know me I am just a sensitive type guy.
There are two things that are worth defending,your family and your boat and not necessarily in that order.
Ted is not 360 him and his crew are .

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Late surprise : quoted tornado prices are EXCLUDING taxes [Re: mmadge] #246377
03/28/12 02:23 PM
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Late surprise : quoted tornado prices are EXCLUDING taxes

International Tornado website is source of late surprise

I quote directly

"Both boats are priced competitively with the Exploder being 15,900 and the Marstrom being 25,900, these prices are excluding tax and delivery but include a full suit of Ullman One Design Sails and a Carbon Mast."


Well, there it is.

Many of us were suspecting something fishy was going on with the Tornado quotes as is the case with many of the Tornado-trials related statements lately.

Taxes in euro zone are 19% VAT and that places the Exploder Tornado at 18.921 when you pick it up yourself in Poland. A carbon masted F16 from one of the EU agents (UK, NL, France, ITA or Belgium) will be cheaper then that.

A Marstrom Tornado, that you have to pick up in Sweden, will set you back a 30.821


Go figure,

Wouter




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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: samc99us] #246383
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.


Correct. No W-1000, T-500 or GT-300, but a 1/2 dozen steeplechases and short stuff like that. I think Ksurfer2 let me nap during the day for one of them...

I was referring to buoy racing with my humor, but you have a point...


Jay

Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: waterbug_wpb] #246398
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by samc99us
Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.


Correct. No W-1000, T-500 or GT-300, but a 1/2 dozen steeplechases and short stuff like that. I think Ksurfer2 let me nap during the day for one of them...

I was referring to buoy racing with my humor, but you have a point...


Jay,
You've got more experience than Sam, don't sweat it. He's one of those guys who uses the Intarweb to make people think he's something he's not, repetitively.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: samc99us] #246404
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Originally Posted by samc99us


Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.


The year I sailed the Tybee 500 with Carl Roberts, I think we probably said about three words an hour to each other...got along just fine and had a good trip.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246405
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I would never have guessed that from his on-line persona, Jake. He is a smiling, gentle giant IRL, but Jeebus he could rant on the 'net.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246406
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Originally Posted by John Williams
I would never have guessed that from his on-line persona, Jake. He is a smiling, gentle giant IRL, but Jeebus he could rant on the 'net.


I know! We're both probably fortunate that we didn't sort out each other's political persuasions on the trip though. It really was a very memorable Tybee. His lack of communication created a little stress occasionally...like when we had the lead coming out of Fernandina and for about 15 minutes I kept pointing out that we were letting the fleet reach further out and I kept calling out the ever-increasing bearing we needed to maintain to clear the end of the jetty. With the waves crashing on the rock jetty clearly in sight, I finally demanded an answer...and then all I got were three quietly mumbled words that made me go a little pale.


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246407
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No universal healthcare?


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Re: Full foiling a catamaran [Re: John Williams] #246408
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Chemistry is everything when you're on a boat all day with someone.

I'll never forget a pickup crew I had one year for New England 100. We were bored and telling jokes. One of his jokes was so disturbing that I was seriously looking around like, "How close are we to Jamestown????!!!!"

I'm sure I turned a few shades whiter.

Mike

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