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Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: menno] #247359
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but both boats are made in asia, right?! so the viper isn't "out of AUS" is it?! And Nacra 17 is made in Europe?!!!

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Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: bacho] #247360
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Originally Posted by bacho
I personally do not see it as a problem that the price will go up, I view it more as a discount to try and get some orders quickly.


I think, too, that once a boat is selected, they can count on a steady influx of orders and can realize some cost savings due to the number of orders. That will slow down once the Olympic fleet has boats and starts into a more gradual replacement cycle...so it probably makes sense that the price is low for the first prospective orders.


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Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: PTP] #247361
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If you read the ISAF report only Hulls are coming out of Thailand! And pricing of both boats in this report are ex works AUS ore NED, so nothing is shipped from Thailand as complete boat!

Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: menno] #247362
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so the beams and masts are not made in Thailand for the Nacra 17?

Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: PTP] #247363
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Nacra 17, Sails, tramp, alu mast and beams are made in Holland (performance Sails is based in Holland!) carbon mast I don’t know!

Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: NacramanUK] #247364
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Carbon mast is made in France I believe.

Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: menno] #247372
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ehm, I think the ISAF report is comparing oranges with oranges as all quotes are given when picking the boat up at door of the factory ex taxes or delivery and all agents assemble the boat locally.

Other then that, it is all a zero sum game. If nacra extrude theirs masts in NED then that will mean additional shipping costs to non-european customers as indeed will be the case the other way around.

Mind you the Superwing used by AHPC is fabricated in California USA and is shipped directly to the local agents and not via AUs.

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Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: NacramanUK] #247374
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Hi Wouter -

I don't think AHPC is using that California supplier anymore - I think I heard they'd gone to a new company. Not 100% sure.


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Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: NacramanUK] #247380
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It's both. My boat has an Aussie mast because we dropped a container of boats in Long Beach


I'm boatless.
Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: NacramanUK] #247405
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People talk about this as if they're ready to line up and buy one. I'm really surprised that nobody mentioned this:

"ISAF will control allocation of first 100 boats."
and
"NACRA agree that ISAF will under contract control any subsequent price until November 2016."

I'd say that for the next year or so, you'd need to know somebody to get one of these.

.... maybe somebody did mention it, but my eyes glazed over reading the comments.

Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: Will_R] #247422
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Its not both masts. Its an Australian produced mast. Used to be USA. The NACRA carbon stick is from CMI in thailand, same as their hulls. It was the first few that they've produced. Could lead to some teething problems. The Viper carbon stick is from france.

Re: ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report [Re: Wouter] #247424
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both Viper and Nacra can be smod and thus "laser" like. A few tweeks and the set ups can be standardized.

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