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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: mikekrantz] #248158
05/11/12 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
How about a F20c rig on an 18HT platform with a code zero on the sprit?

I'm pretty sure I have all the parts to make it happen.

Mug Race 2013 here we come...


I love the Frankenboats. Bring it!


I really need to make something of myself so I can afford a second house/boat/truck in Florida.


I'm boatless.
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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: jkkartz1] #248167
05/11/12 11:40 AM
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All you need is a 'cap' on the back of your truck, you can live in that, just like all the other snow birds do down here all winter!


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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: mikekrantz] #248179
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I love the rocketeer approach, Mike. As I once asked you, "Keep us sailing fast."

Are there Farrier, Corsair, Formula 40s, one off Stilletos or Sea Cart designs, sailing under PHRF in the race?

I have been haunted by that 30 footer since it appeared in the RTI against the Stl 23s years ago. They finished before the squall line intercepted the lead gaggle of 'beach cats' as we were entering Pensacola Bay, and the race was abandoned by the RComm due to pressure from the USCG. We were the actual third boat to finish behind John Suares (RIP) and the Viva 27. Only had the helm knocked out of my hand four times that night only to arrive at the finish line to find no souls there except for my team mate, Bud Schumann, and the Viva crew from MS. The NACRA 5.8 was a great boat for that race.

The Roberts 30 needs to be racing in PHRF for now. We are actually working on developing a modern PHRF system in the GYA. The I 20 guys are not liking the minus double digits we are showing after two years of data:)

Crew weight and power to weight ratio of the platform will play a role on the new frontier.

Bert Rice
RTI I second place behind Carlton Tucker N 5.2 vs. H 18 smile We both jumped the Destin jetty that year because of the swells rolling a magic carpet for us in the low spot. The third boat did not make it, and they changed the rule for RTI II.

Thanks for the memory...

Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: Karl_Brogger] #248180
05/11/12 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Huh. Always light air.... Franken boats about.... Me thinks a C2 rig needs to find its way onto my Viper.


You all talk big now with 359 to go, we'll see who has the stones to suck it up and do the big drift! Make sure you up your ADD meds because the second you see something shiney grandpa Ding is going to own your a$$!


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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: RobLyman] #248181
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Originally Posted by RobLyman
Congrats Dave & Dave. Good job. Next year I hope to be out there again giving you two and the Roberts a run for your money.


Rob, I'm not going to lie, walking past Daddy-0 under the covers last Saturday was painful for me. It was just wrong!


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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: jkkartz1] #248184
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The only Corsair in that race was a 24MKII which is not a great light air boat. If there had been a Sprint or Dash there it would have left the 24MKII in its wake.



After all, its not easy, banging your head against some mad buggers wall.
Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: joeyg] #248191
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When I get the time I'll look up the results so I can be more enlightened.

Meanwhile, we are planning to hold our 38th annual Pensacola Bay Sea Buoy Race tomorrow in possible record breaking conditions. Kirk Newkirk will be flying (registered this evening) the NACRA Carbon 20 in the 22.5 nm stress test out to Pensacola Sea Buoy 3.5 nm off the coast.

The incoming tide might mean that the surf contest back into the pass, from the sea buoy, will be 'All Time' NASCAR.

Mike, wish you were here.

To Joey - You are correct; the C 24 needs wind just like the NACRA 5.2 and the 5.5 SLs. Underpowered platforms have the year long edge against the "Frankenstein" boats. Let's have a Frankenstein Festival > the best costumed boat wins smile

Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: catandahalf] #248193
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sorry ... forgot to add that Kirk came up to me tonight and claimed he would do the 22.2 nms in eighty (80) minutes. I am taking that as a 'Poker Run' bet. Any takers on actual elapsed time in surfing conditions???

Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: David Ingram] #248197
05/12/12 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by RobLyman
Congrats Dave & Dave. Good job. Next year I hope to be out there again giving you two and the Roberts a run for your money.


Rob, I'm not going to lie, walking past Daddy-0 under the covers last Saturday was painful for me. It was just wrong!

Being in Iraq kept me from sailing last year. Two titanium screws in my ankle kept me out of the race this year. See pics:

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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: jkkartz1] #248199
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Ouch!

Well, at least they are titanium, so you won't need those zink plates stapled to your butt when you go sailing!


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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: Timbo] #248240
05/13/12 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Ouch!

Well, at least they are titanium, so you won't need those zink plates stapled to your butt when you go sailing!


LOL. Yeah, but the screws are out now.

Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: jkkartz1] #248245
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How'd you do that?

I hope there's a good story, not a, "I tripped over the dog..." type thing!


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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: Timbo] #248284
05/13/12 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
How'd you do that?

I hope there's a good story, not a, "I tripped over the dog..." type thing!

Mountain biking. Hard left turn, front wheel broke loose, fell on my left ankle and then left leg. I didn't get my foot out of the clipped in pedal fast enough and rolled/dislocated my ankle with my tibia offset from my ankle. When I came down on my leg, I had little support for my relatively smaller fibula, which broke an inch and a half below my knee. The break wasn't so bad, but the dislocation, with torn ligaments and tendons, required the screws to hold my ankle in place until the ligaments and tendos healed.

I just started walking without crutches a few days before the Mug Race. That was from an accident that happened the 3rd week of January. I really need to get out o the water.

Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: jkkartz1] #248285
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OUCH!!

That hurt just reading it!

Well you're right, a little salt water on it ought to help.


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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: Timbo] #248358
05/14/12 03:27 PM
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What if you could submit a polar for each boat to USS portsmouth committee? I thought someone said there's a smartphone app that draws one up.

Get the best sailor on the boat to drive it for a while, get the polars and crunch the numbers into some sort of DPN/PN. Then you wouldn't have to worry so much about individual mods, but rather how they all work together (or not) to make the boat faster...

I'd bet Randy's sew-sew from EC might have done pretty well at Mug, too?


Jay

Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: Karl_Brogger] #256987
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Huh. Always light air.... Franken boats about.... Me thinks a C2 rig needs to find its way onto my Viper.


Remember saying this Brogger. Are you going frankenboat it up in 2013 and show us how the big drift is done? It's always light air and I've heard you're a bit delicate so the chances you'll break a nail are low, but it can be a bit warm so you're makeup might run.



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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: David Ingram] #256991
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Re: Congratulations to Dave & Dave [Re: Mugrace72] #257032
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Originally Posted by Mugrace72
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider

So... the OA should lead and choose the most workable handicap system.

The rudder club should lead...


That ain't gonna happen Mark. We (cat sailors) are the outliers. Their handicap guy is overloaded as it is with trying to merge PHRF, Portsmouth, etc. into some sort of believable spreadsheet. It is called RCHS (Rudder Club Handicap System) and no one but he knows (or should know) how it works. That way it is hard to protest anyway.

Our Portsmouth numbers are only the base number and he has the ability to make WAG adjustments as he sees fit.

Having said that, word is that he is willing to make bigger adjustments for next year. That was the talk after the race anyway. The new lady Commodore wants this to happen.

It might be a good time for some well written letters to find there way to the Rudder Club.



Address:
Commodore Jim Maedel
Rudder Club of Jacksonville
8533 Malaga Avenue
Jacksonville, FL 32244
Telephone/fax:
904 264-4094
office@rudderclub.com



It is not too late to get your letters in to the new commodore, Jim Maedel. They promised last year to look into reviewing the ratings.

Time to write some letter folks.



Jack Woehrle
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