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#248821 05/24/12 06:33 AM 05/24/12 06:33 AM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Oh. My. God. A ticket tad? Are ****ing serious? I'm sorry, I didn't know about that. Better just let this one die.
I'm boatless.
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#248827 05/24/12 07:42 AM 05/24/12 07:42 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Oh. My. God. A ticket tad? Are ****ing serious? I'm sorry, I didn't know about that. Better just let this one die. I think the point being made was that there is a good bit of leg work to be done to acquire the permits needed to have the boats on the beach at the various stops and re-arranging the race if you can't get them. It's more than just picking the points and saying "go".
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Tybee 500
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#248828 05/24/12 08:00 AM 05/24/12 08:00 AM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Oh. My. God. A ticket tad? Are ****ing serious? I'm sorry, I didn't know about that. Better just let this one die. I think the point being made was that there is a good bit of leg work to be done to acquire the permits needed to have the boats on the beach at the various stops and re-arranging the race if you can't get them. It's more than just picking the points and saying "go". Jake is right. The point was is that if you want to do it legally and properly - there's a lot of work to be done. I had the pleasure of having breakfast with Chuck one morning when I was in Tybee Island visiting friends and I ran into him at breakfast club. He talked frankly about what was involved to put the race on and its not a small effort by any means. Getting the hotels and municipalities and the insurance to all play nicely with each other - plus meet the demands of any of the sponsors you've picked up for the race is a lot to handle for a guy that has a full time job already. | | | Re: Tybee 500
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#248830 05/24/12 09:01 AM 05/24/12 09:01 AM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | My point is screw the legality. Land where you want to land, launch where you want to launch. What are they going to do? Sure you might get a few tickets, but that's not exactly the end of the world either. An idea would be to not have scheduled stops where you all hit the same spot on the same beach on the same day. Ground crews could meet with their teams where ever they need to.
Making it a smaller effort is what it needs to survive. I don't know if I have any interest in doing the Tybee myself, but I think its easily the coolest catamaran race in the US. I've got nothing but respect for you self loathing SOB's who do it, and I don't want to see it go away permanently.
I'm boatless.
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#248833 05/24/12 09:09 AM 05/24/12 09:09 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | My point is screw the legality. I agree, which is why I don't feel i need a driver's license. Heck, I know how to drive a car already...
Jay
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#248834 05/24/12 09:11 AM 05/24/12 09:11 AM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Hahaha. Wrong dude to tell that story to. I didn't have a driver's license from 17 to about 24. It just cost me more to get to work than a licensed driver.
I'm boatless.
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#248835 05/24/12 09:15 AM 05/24/12 09:15 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I'd bet the same would be true running the T-500 as you suggest. Every year I watched the T-500, I wondered just how ugly the original Worrell was. H-16's going the wrong way through that crap... yeowch
Jay
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#248839 05/24/12 10:31 AM 05/24/12 10:31 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Trust me, for some reason the cops/security guards only stop by at 2:00AM to tell you that you can not park your RV or trailer or boat there... ^^ Makes for a relaxing journey
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Tybee 500
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#248878 05/25/12 10:55 AM 05/25/12 10:55 AM |
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Posts: 1,403 | The point was is that if you want to do it legally and properly - there's a lot of work to be done. I had the pleasure of having breakfast with Chuck one morning when I was in Tybee Island visiting friends and I ran into him at breakfast club. He talked frankly about what was involved to put the race on and its not a small effort by any means. Getting the hotels and municipalities and the insurance to all play nicely with each other - plus meet the demands of any of the sponsors you've picked up for the race is a lot to handle for a guy that has a full time job already.
A full time job to say the least! Few years back I played with the idea of hosting a race down the CA coast from Santa Barbara to Long Beach, with doing a few tours out and around Catalina and the Channel Islands... After talking with my lawyer about what possible liability exposure I have personally she said none as long as I set up an LLC and run the race under the auspices of the corporation. But that was not a guarantee. OK not a problem I know the steps here as I have done this before with an airplane partnership. Then I had to figure the permits, insurance ($1M plus for each of the government entities involved), logistics, chase boat (required by the insurance), yacht club support, awards, race shirts, give-a-ways etc...... all in all I was in the hole a few grand before any of the boats even hit the water... They way I figured it, is I would need at least 15 entries @ $450.00 each to make this thing fly and do it right. Wasn't going to happen, hell we have to struggle to get 5 boats to make a class for the one day distance races we have here. Maybe if I hit the $100 Million plus lottery and I have money to piss away I’ll reconsider this. Ok you wouldn't get your boat taken - They would just give you a nice ticket/fine.
Per foot of boat. Use to live on the beach in Ventura, CA... for a few years I would launch my Prindle 18 from the ramp in the harbor, sail it around to the beach for the summer holiday weekends and leave it there overnight and have beach/sailing parties...living the California dream as they say. The last time I did it I got a $75 dollar fine, and could not launch the boat to get it back to the harbor. Basicly they made me take it off the beach and it had to be done before sunset that day... thank goodness for beachwheels.
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#248886 05/25/12 01:44 PM 05/25/12 01:44 PM |
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Posts: 606 League City, TX | [quote] Use to live on the beach in Ventura, CA... for a few years I would launch my Prindle 18 from the ramp in the harbor, sail it around to the beach for the summer holiday weekends and leave it there overnight and have beach/sailing parties...living the California dream as they say.
The last time I did it I got a $75 dollar fine, and could not launch the boat to get it back to the harbor. Basicly they made me take it off the beach and it had to be done before sunset that day... thank goodness for beachwheels. God bless Texas. No permits, cats welcome. Open beachs. Someone is suing the state and challenging the open beach act. Guess where they come from? > Californistan. | | | Re: Tybee 500
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#248888 05/25/12 03:05 PM 05/25/12 03:05 PM |
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Posts: 1,403 | God bless Texas. No permits, cats welcome. Open beachs.
Someone is suing the state and challenging the open beach act. Guess where they come from?
> Californistan.
So Flump..there are no permits or insurance required to run the GT300? Here ya go Pete Federal court tosses Texas Open Beaches Act
Associated Press
Posted on May 22, 2012 at 8:01 AM
GALVESTON, Texas—A federal appeals court, ruling in the case of a Galveston waterfront property owner, says the Texas Open Beaches Act that keeps the state’s beaches public is unconstitutional.
The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling echoes a Texas Supreme Court ruling last month that found problems with the law as it applies to west Galveston Island beaches rapidly eroded by storms.
A San Diego attorney sued after she was ordered to move her home because storm erosion put it on the public beach.
In a 2-1 ruling Monday, the 5th Circuit said enforcement of the law was unreasonable seizure of property. A lower federal court had dismissed her suit.
The Texas General Land Office told the Houston Chronicle it hadn’t seen the ruling and had no reaction.
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#248891 05/25/12 03:14 PM 05/25/12 03:14 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | Hopefully she loses in the long run.
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#248892 05/25/12 03:50 PM 05/25/12 03:50 PM |
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD samc99us
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Sitting here from my lame desk, I see three ways to do this race:
1) The way it has been done in the past, proper organization, insurance, hotels etc.
2) No holds barred. Everyone starts at the same place and time, finish location is fixed. Run what you bring. Fend for yourself on the stopping, food, sleeping etc. Could allow rotating crew.
3) Elapsed time. Course is set but you run what you want, when you want. Race is scored against the previous record. Again, logistics are up to you/team.
Frankly I could give a piss about cops, fines and insurance. Yes it would completely blow when you hit the beach at midnight looking for a few hours of shut eye and you have to deal with The Man. The real hazard would be a situation where you are forced between dropping the rig, hauling the boat off the beach etc. or heading back out to sea in a nasty blow at night., but those are logistics your team would need to be prepared to handle...
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#248893 05/25/12 05:57 PM 05/25/12 05:57 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Sitting here from my lame desk, I see three ways to do this race:
1) The way it has been done in the past, proper organization, insurance, hotels etc.
2) No holds barred. Everyone starts at the same place and time, finish location is fixed. Run what you bring. Fend for yourself on the stopping, food, sleeping etc. Could allow rotating crew.
3) Elapsed time. Course is set but you run what you want, when you want. Race is scored against the previous record. Again, logistics are up to you/team.
Frankly I could give a piss about cops, fines and insurance. Yes it would completely blow when you hit the beach at midnight looking for a few hours of shut eye and you have to deal with The Man. The real hazard would be a situation where you are forced between dropping the rig, hauling the boat off the beach etc. or heading back out to sea in a nasty blow at night., but those are logistics your team would need to be prepared to handle... Trust me, I wouldn't be interested in burning a week or two of vacation time for a race in which I might have to spend a third of my time dealing with the law enforcement and paying fines instead of sailing. No thanks.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Tybee 500
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#248898 05/26/12 09:30 AM 05/26/12 09:30 AM |
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Posts: 1,403 | Hopefully she loses in the long run. Think this is more of an evident domain case if anything which is a guarantee she'll lose. Our GT300 fleet insurance policy is cheap. No permits required, other than one with the USCG - who are very supportive of the event. Same here, that is everyone was very supportive as long as I filed for the permits and paid the fees, and had the right insurance...
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