To all the smart people out there,..al little help please.
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<br>1. I am not a lightweight,...230-ish pounds wet+gear
<br>2. this weekend, in the Hugo Memorial race,..I turned a roll tack into a roll over tack,...100% my error,...ok
<br>3. Man , I tried everything,....could not get boat 90 degrees to the wind,....the best I could do id 45 degress,...then it would clock back as soon a s I moved into position to right her..
<br>4. Same thing happened at BVI,....tell me of a product,...or a tip,...or anything...help! (...I know,...do not flip in the 1st place...)
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<br>Bruce
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<br>St. Croix<br><br>

Bruce - I've not flipped the I17 and so can't offer specifics. However on my previous P19 with reacher I could right it singlehanded with the large Murrays waterbag + 4:1 blocks (required). This should work for you, assuming you can't figure out a way to right it w/o additional gear. I am 6' 1" 205 lbs.<br><br>Write if you have more questions. Sail fast and have fun,<br>Alan Thompson<br>I20 - San Diego<br><br>

Sounds like you should have been able to right it, but should have, could have, would have, right?
<br> Try the righting bar advertised here and elsewhere. I've never used it, but the concept is easy enough. tucks under tramp, light, and really increases the leverage.
<br> There's other ways such as water bags lifted via blocks, etc.
<br> I thought that the bows 45deg. into the wind was the ideal way to right.
<br> If other posts don't get you to the links of the righting bar(I think Rick White has it on the home page for catsailor), then let me know and I'll try to be more help.
<br> Have fun and good luck,
<br>Todd Bouton<br><br>

Bruce,
<br>From your post I gather the boat lay on its side and drifted with the wind?
<br>You said it wouldn't go 90 deg to the wind which means you couldn't get the wind under the mainsail.
<br>I am guessing this is your problem. Let me know if I'm wrong.
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<br>You should be able to make a small drouge from some spinnaker cloth. Keep it in the tramp pocket with a line attached. When you go over, deploy it and it will hold the nose of the boat into the breeze so the wind gets under the main and helps you up.
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<br>Hopes this help,
<br>Phill<br><br>

HI Bruce, I do not know how much weight is required to right an I-17 but it sounds like you ought to have enough. I wonder if you have checked your mast to be sure it is sealed and not leaking. Even a small amount of water inside can make a big difference when trying to right a capsized boat. Also be sure you have extended your body weight as far outboard from the hull as possible using a loop in the righting line to put your harness hook in to make it easier. If these two things are good then I am surprised that it takes so much weight to right that boat. <br><br>

Bruce
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<br>It can be done, but I have the carbon mast. remeber it is 2' longer too. My friend Mike uses a righting pole on his I17U.
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<br>CR<br><br>CR, Inter 17R USA 107

Getting that sail flying at the proper angle into the wind makes a tremendous difference. I had my TheMightyHobie18 lying on it's side on solid beach and it balanced, with the mast beyond horizontal, on the lift created by the sail. I had to do this because of a stuborn halyard ring. I now clearly understand why it took me so long to right the first cat I failed to keep pointy end up. That wind direction is way important.
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<br>(One of Rick's books points out that by putting your weight on and submerging the nose of the boat, it will naturally want to swing nose into the wind for righting)<br><br>[color:blue][b]Jake
<br>[color:blue][b]Nacra 5.2 (2112)
<br>[color:blue][b]Hobie 18 (???)

And don't forget the option of getting back in the water and swimming the bow around.
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<br>I admit that I have experienced hesitance to exercise the swimming option for fear that if I got off the hull, the boat would turtle. If I'm having trouble getting the boat to spin by standing on the bow, though, I go for a swim to position the boat to the wind. So far I've been able to right my N6.0 after getting knocked down singlehanded by using just a righting line and the wind (I'm 6'1", 200 lbs.). Not without difficulty, but possible.<br><br> Kevin Rose
<br>N6.0na #215
<br>kevin@paddleways.com
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2 tricks I use on 20 foot boats are:
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<br>Position yourself on the bows when trying to spin the boat into the wind and keep the mainsheet and travelor sheeted in until the boat is in position. This keeps water out of the mainsail and allows the boat to rotate. Once you have the boat in position open up the sheets and right the boat. Caution if you do not open up the sheets, the boat may sail away without you or dragging you under the boat after righting the boat.
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<br>One time I was capsized and my boat went turtle very quickly. The conditions were very windy (25 and gusting upward) and we pitchedpoled going dead downwind. I looked at my crew and told him this may take a bit to get this boat over. I told him to stand on the hull near the rear crossbeam and I went to fish out the righting line. All of sudden the boat rotated into a beam reach position and I got back by the crew and without the righting line in hand the wind pushed the boat from the turtle position to its side and we grabbed the dolphin striker and pulled the boat right over.
<br>Someone was watching out for me that day.
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<br>Righting bags also work well.<br><br>Mark
<br>Inter 20 no. 274
<br>Houston, TX

First, if you had water in the mast you might as well give it up it's impossible. Now going back to what Kevin was saying. I flipped an Inter 20 at Alter Cup this year and me and my crew were 375 and we couldn't right the boat with it rotated to the 45 degree angle. We were in 3rd place and thought we could just jump on it and right it. Well I finally got in and swam it around which put us in 10th place. I just wish I would have done that in the first place.
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<br>Get to the bow and sink it with sheets loose until it comes to the 45 degree angle to the wind. Then jump in and hold the bridle and swim like crazy it will rotate quickly. glide back to the dolphin striker and righting line and jump up on it quickly. You will right it in no time if you have a little wind. If you don't have any wind I'm not sure you will be able to right it singlehanded.
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<br>Mike Hill
<br>H20 #791
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I have been considering that.
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<br>Did it work real well?
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

i was waiting for Rick to tout his product,...i just want to know if it had been tested on the I-17,....anyone??
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

1. you are correct in your question.
<br>2. This is a great idea,...how big a sea anchor do you suggest?
<br>3. What about the sail configuration,......sheet and trav tight,...or blown?
<br>4. If the sheet/trrav is tight,...90% of the sail is out of the water, it is the square head that is holding the unit down,...suggestions?
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

Going to check all the seals on this week this week,...I have the boat on its side for maint. work.
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

Kevin,
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<br>You know I sit on the bow and kick with my feet to get it turned,.....but she swings right back.......???
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

Mark,
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<br>good story!
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

Mike,
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<br>Great points,
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<br>The funny thing was, once I told the chase boat to come over ( it had been 1/2 of unsuccesful attempts..)...we rotated the boat 90%,....and,...nothing happened,....no go up? the wind was light on spotty that day too ( less than 10)
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<br>Finally I told the skipper to tow me slowly to the nearest island,....and I connected the tow line to the righting line,..squarted the boat up for 1 last try..and reluctantly she came up,......I checked the hull for water(.on the beach later.),.....nothing much to talk about.
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<br>Bruce<br><br>

Bruce,
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<br>I just purchased an I17R, in the next couple of days I'll dump it over and try to right it. If I learn anything in the process, I'll pass it on.
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<br>Mark<br><br>

Bruce,
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<br>It sounds to me like you may have had the leech toward the wind. In this configuration the mast will begin to clock away from the wind as soon as the sail is off of the water. Otherwise, if your luff is to weather the sail should fill and produce some upward lift and not as much rotational force. My advice follows.
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<br>Once capsized, do these things in this order: Tell your crew, if any, that you are okay and find out if he is okay.
<br>Remove any wire or rope lines that are tangled on your body.
<br>Cast off the spinnaker halyard if the spin is hoisted.
<br>Release the main traveller and main sheet.
<br>If you have a quick release on the main clew, let it go also!
<br>Uncleat the jib sheets.
<br>Go to the bow and swim the bow into the wind. This can often be done without very much swim work, just place your weight on the bow and swim to help it. (Once the wind gets on the topside of the trampoline, the boat may roatate the mast toward the wind and that should not harm your efforts.)
<br>Extend fully, the daggerboard that is in the wetted hull.
<br>Deploy a righting line.
<br>If boat is turtled, place all of your weight on the leeward stern to make the mast float up to the surface.
<br>Before righting make one last check of these things in this order: Jib is uncleated. (I know you probably don't have one, but I am trying to be generic here) Hooter or spinnaker head is not hoisted. Mainsheet and traveller are paid out.
<br>Now;
<br>Stand on the daggerboard and lean back with a righting line. Extend your legs and arms to get the most distance between the boat and yourself.
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<br>If your mast leaks, *do not capsize.*
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<br>I believe that at your weight you must either be making a fundamental error or your boat has some water in the mast.<br><br>GARY

One more caution in high winds. Don't let go of the boat while on the windward side. I got knocked down a couple months ago in 25 knots. My crew made the mistake of letting go of the boat. With the wind on the tramp and me on the hull, I was blowing away faster than he could swim. I ended up having to right the boat solo and pick him up. (Another option would have been to put my body in the water to act as a drogue and swim the boat to position the bows into the wind.)<br><br> Kevin Rose
<br>N6.0na #215
<br>kevin@paddleways.com
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