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Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #256655
01/28/13 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
betcha rock stars like Daniels or (cough) Ingram could sail it fast with NO boards smile


Hundreds of comedians out of work and you're trying to be funny...


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Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: David Ingram] #256694
01/29/13 10:25 AM
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I was required by contract (since you killed us at Hirams) to mention your rock-star status.


Jay

Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #256696
01/29/13 10:53 AM
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Did Ding throw his crew over board? I thought he was sailing with crew and not uni ....

... but he does DESERVE rock-star status ...


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Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: tback] #256712
01/29/13 02:12 PM
01/29/13 02:12 PM
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mark's so scrawney these days it's easy to overlook Ding's got crew...

Need to go force-feed that guy some lard...


Jay

Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #256837
02/01/13 04:03 AM
02/01/13 04:03 AM

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Hi all,

long time no F16 post. Somebody mentioned I might find this post of interest, Deja-Vu perhaps crazy. Interesting to see many of the same old crew still here wink.

What is the best design for F16 one up? confused

Mosquito if you are 75kg or less grin

But seriously, despite what the manafacturers might say, I believe to have a chance of beating 2 up F16s in a variety of conditions, a optimised platform is neccessary shocked , something like a short 'A' but fatter, or a skinny Blade etc. and minimum weight hulls and mast is essential. shocked

The fastest F16 I have sailed upwind was "Altered" with minimal volume it cut through waves and a minimum weight mast it didn't hobby horse upwind cool , which I found a problem on the Blade with the Superwing mast, the bow rose over the waves and started the rocking motion, which the mast continued frown . Downwind on "Altered" it was a different matter, with the lack of volume leading to nosediving and beam slapping in waves blush . But the Blades volume at the front can cause trouble down wind as well, again rising over waves and setting up a rocking motion that caused rear beam slapping, that threw the bow down into the troughs causing nose diving sick .

So my theory is the happy medium has to be somewhere in between, with plenty of freeboard and clearance under the beams, as it is hard for one person to move around quickly and change the trim, when they are steering and sheeting the spinnaker. Hopefully we will see it one day, but not for me, I am too light and too old whistle. But seriously a one up F16 has to be a big mans boat, I found F16 one up most succesful when I was 90kg plus. cool

On the subject of Pole length, I reckon up to .5m less than max is ok, thats what I had on "Altered" and it balanced really well. My theory is the two up needs longer pole partly to keep more spinnaker clear of the jib.

Thats my thoughts anyway, now I will just crawl back under my Mosquito rock wink.

Last edited by thricebitten; 02/01/13 04:10 AM.
Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: daniel_t] #257232
02/09/13 06:12 PM
02/09/13 06:12 PM
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Palm Harbor, FL
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I happen to hover between 69 and 70 kg (depending on what my wife cooked that day :-) and I'm considering a Mosquito (or maybe a Shadow X,) for my next boat purchase. Either way, I would be the only person in the area, and possibly in the country, to own one, but I'm more interested in being able to handle the boat well than class racing.

That said, I finally got my Taipan fixed up and back on the water today (sans spinnaker.) The shakedown cruise was in an average 11 kn wind which was ramping up while I was out. I really do like the boat.

I have yet to successfully right her when I have capsized which makes me nervous about going very far. I think the shorter, lighter mast of a Mosi or Shadow would help with that.

Best part about today's sail... I didn't break anything! :-)


Daniel T.
Taipan F16 - USA 213
Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: daniel_t] #257801
02/25/13 03:44 AM
02/25/13 03:44 AM

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Hi Daniel,

would love to see another Mossie in the US, certainly it would be easier to handle than a Taipan for a guy your size and easier to right after a capsize, as long as you seal the mast (the mast section we use in OZ is very light and a metre shorter than a Taipan).

But that said, some Aussie Taipan sailors are quite succesful at 70ish KG not to sure of just how light, but not sure how they go righting them after capsize.

Re: Best F16 for 1-up? [Re: daniel_t] #259097
04/22/13 11:34 AM
04/22/13 11:34 AM
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Was helping do some rigging at the club yesterday. It's clear some of the newer boats (Viper, Falcon) are really setup for 2-up sailing, vs. the older boats (Taipan). The fastest single handed F16 in our club is the Taipan, and he's usually the fastest F16. Meticulous boat setup with complete emphasis on a clean tramp and the KISS principle. Getting distracted by the latest high tech widget, hull shape etc. isn't going to beat the team focusing on time on the water and crew work.


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