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ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! #258968
04/15/13 08:19 PM
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Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: h17racer] #259001
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A little bit about Team HS Racing

and Mitch Booth is back at the helm of China Team.


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Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: h17racer] #259043
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Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: h17racer] #259044
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I wonder why they didn't make any HD available? I would love to watch this on the big screen. Probably not going to bother with it otherwise.


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720 HD is available, just select it..TG

Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: h17racer] #259047
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Originally Posted by h17racer
720 HD is available, just select it..TG


It is now - but it wasn't yesterday.


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HD takes longer to process, the same thing happens when you upload a video yourself.

Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: Tony_F18] #259058
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who in the heck wants to see Jake in HD? I think I threw up in my mouth a little...


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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
who in the heck wants to see Jake in HD? I think I threw up in my mouth a little...


wha?


Jake Kohl
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OK guys, back on topic, sheesh.

Anyone else wonder why they don't find commentators that have actually raced Cats before? Ol' Gary what's his name is a total doofus.

TG

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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
who in the heck wants to see Jake in HD? I think I threw up in my mouth a little...


wha?


I thought he wrote "when you upload a video OF yourself"... I guess i need glasses


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ETNZ and Luna Rossa crash


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TG, No one else has the experience and background in the AC that Gary has. No one else is involved in the production of sailing TV coverage over decades like Gary has been. They tried a number of other commentators, including Mitch Booth, and it turns out that each one had their pros and cons. I suspect that it is one of those things that seems to be easier than it actually is. Gary tries to make sailing understandable and appreciated even to non-sailors and that makes it more difficult for experienced racers to watch (actually listen) but it is pretty necessary to make the TV production commercially viable. You can always turn the volume down and try commenting on it yourself with a recorder and see how you do. Maybe it could lead to a job offer.... or better appreciation for Gary's efforts.

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Was that not Ken Read on Friday? Surely, the more the merrier. The pro surfers are rallying to the new commentary wave of global streaming. Like the photographer, years ago, that sold photos for 2k a Sailing World cover. Now I understand the going price is $600 or so.

The respect shown for past world champion surfers, as broadcasters, keeps them in the game and exposes more people to surfing. Soon, as more pro sailors take to the stage, I am sure Mr. J will be happy.

Those of you grumbling about his commentary should be thankful he is there as a magnet for sailors like Ken Read. Put Gary on the water for color and bring in more sailors to build the sport - of sailing commentary. There's money in dim dar hills, brahs.

I have not seen today's racing yet, but now I will watch and listen more closely as we close the gap on the surfing media.

Thank you Mike for beginning what I wanted to say.

Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: h17racer] #259076
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Hey guys, no intention to offend and open discussion is good, just do not care for Gary's broadcasting style is all. Yesterday was much better (for me) with the other commentator (Ken?) and GJ on the water with supplemental coverage.

Important thing is, the races are getting world-wide attention plus, we can actually watch each day's events.

Enjoy, TG

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H17Racer, you have begun a discussion on a valuable component - sailing and streaming. Check out the pro surfing event in Brazil that begins May 8 and add that in with current media (cable and satellite - TV sports broadcasting http://wctbrasil.com/rio13 for comparison with sailing commentary. For a background check go to www.aspworldtour.com.

Surfing is way ahead of sailing in this business of sports broadcasting and overall production. They are now presenting live surfing events around the world, and one reason they are able to accomplish that is by employing past surfing greats as commentators. Sailing is now on the threshold thanks to GJ.

The last America's Cup featured Gary working with Randy Smyth. I know that from watching a couple matches from the bar at St. Petersburg Yacht Club after the RComm cancelled racing for that day. I do not believe Randy ever left his house for that one. I can confirm that when I see him next week.

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Re: ACWS 45's continue in Naples this week!!! [Re: h17racer] #259078
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One of the prerequisites for these jobs is, of course, your own resume. If you don't have Olympic and/or AC racing experience (and preferably at least one win), don't even think about getting anywhere near this club, even if you're Bob Costas.

Ken did a great job (I am biased), and one of the highlights from the past two days was a close rounding at the weather mark in a match race.

The lead boat came in from stbd, the trailing boat from port, into the left mark overlapped (port inside was ROW). The stbd boat just made the cross, rounding the left mark and pulled away downwind. GJ said: I'm surprised he didn't tack for the right mark and force the other boat to make an extra tack. Kenny simply replied: Pretty sure he would have been rolled if he tried that...

Need more announcers like Kenny, experienced with fast boats here guys...

Mike

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Gary was great on monohull coverage but he still doesn't get the multi program. The reason he is there at all is that he was involved in the coverage deals and has "tenure" ,so to speak.He's really bad at this format, misspeaking words, getting directions backwards , calling parts and sails the wrong names. That does not make a good commentator. Mitch was the best so far. I wish they'd bring back the dual coverage w/ the dummy version and the experienced sailor version.If rthey had to go with one only, they should have chosen the experienced version, which would make people learn what they are talking about, just like every other sport (except Nascar).


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Never the less, The two races today were exciting and worth watching and Gary is OK. He's kind of like an NFL announcer who comes in and makes comments about your team that piss you off.

It has been worse. Thankfully I don't have to hear the phrase "pulsating action" anymore.

Just turn the sound down and do your own commentary. I'm sure we all do that anyway. smile


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Originally Posted by Mike Fahle
TG, No one else has the experience and background in the AC that Gary has. No one else is involved in the production of sailing TV coverage over decades like Gary has been. They tried a number of other commentators, including Mitch Booth, and it turns out that each one had their pros and cons. I suspect that it is one of those things that seems to be easier than it actually is. Gary tries to make sailing understandable and appreciated even to non-sailors and that makes it more difficult for experienced racers to watch (actually listen) but it is pretty necessary to make the TV production commercially viable. You can always turn the volume down and try commenting on it yourself with a recorder and see how you do. Maybe it could lead to a job offer.... or better appreciation for Gary's efforts.


I appreciate Gary and his background - but there is just something about his commentary that lacks excitement...and it's not just that. He lacks some basic understanding of the multihull aspect of this sport. Even as a color man (or...especially) you need to have a particular insight to what is taking place - why the sailors are doing what they are doing. What are they thinking when they split tacks and how they are weighing the cost of a tack vs. what lies ahead. I don't need to hear ONE MORE comment about the difference between monohulls and multihulls because that is not what is on the screen. If you can't keep the sailors that do this kind of racing entertained, lord help you with the masses.


Jake Kohl
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