I'm still not sure where the ends of this tie into the front beam? Speak of pulling free, how do ya'll right the boat with the spinnaker up in a race situation? I.e if you wipeout downwind I've seen guys get the boat back upright without stuffing the chute back in the tube. I've never managed to get upright without stuffing the chute back in the tube, a time consuming process.
You can use the slot on the front beam where the tramp's boltrope slides into, take a 5mm line and put a knot on the end so it doesn't pop out of the slot when you are righting the boat (it takes a while to get it in though, I used some pliers to pull it through). We dont capsize often, but being able to right it quickly is the difference of losing a few places instead of becoming DFL
Dont see how you could right with a wet spinnaker hanging from the mast, doesnt sound like a good idea either (imagine swimming after a boat with the spin still up LOL!)
Totally agree that this is the scariest point of sail, and double trapping in such conditions is really asking for trouble. A couple of years ago we were heading back to the beach, a few hundred meters out, aiming for a narrow opening in rocks that protect the landing area. A wave knocked us both off our feet and deposited us banging and floundering into the hull and each other (I think there was a similar movie here a couple of years back from the Tybee). Skipper lost the tiller, main fully released and the boat just hurtling along towards the rocks. I managed to get aboard somehow, unclipped to go back and got washed overboard again! Managed to hold on to the trap handle, clamber aboard and crawl astern to the rudder crossbar. Succeeded in heading into the wind about 50 meters before the rocks ... At 20 knots that's about 5 seconds to total destruction!! We rarely double trap jib reach anymore, forfeiting some righting moment for a bit of safety, especially those 20 degrees where there is nothing you can do to depower - steering up or down are equally useless, dumping the main possibly even harms... That leaves praying, and if I thought that would help I'd probably spend Saturday morning in synagogue instead of jib reaching. We also try to sheet in and travel out, and I like the idea of sheeting out the jib. Still not sure what to do with the main when you stuff it...
We use a drogue routinely when we go over. It is stored in the tramp with the righting line, and attached to the righting line close to the bitter end, just where it enters the bag. Pull it out and drop it in the water, within a few seconds it slows the boat, still abeam the wind. Crawl forward with the line and tie off on bridle, and the boat swings head to wind (I don't use the carabiner as it is liable to snag over time in the tramp). Now you have a nice tame cat, head to wind, drifting at 1 knot, ready to be organized for righting, righted, boarded and organized for sailing, all calmly and as risk free as it gets. We also board with the trap lines, feet first, easiest way. But, if the boat is trying to escape drogueless, getting there is dangerous. So, before the drogue we would head back between the hulls, holding on either to the tramp lacing or a dedicated line some guys have for that purpose under the tramp. Reach the rudders, steer up into the wind and clamber over the rear beam.
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There is the technique of boarding a cat after capsize- WHILE it's righting!
A technique I learned from Chris Green- never actully practised it with him however.
When you are at the point when the mast comes off the water, and the boat starts to right- you throw a leg/ body, arms, whatenver is easier for you onto the formally bottom hull and begin to get on the tramp on that gront corner as the tramp goes from vertical to horizontal.
It takes a bit of practice, and oh, you gotta be fast, faster than that!
It works though, and when timed right is the quickest and easiet way to get back on a cat the is being righted. Really only works for one person though, then the other does the outside trap handle thing, or is helped back on by the crew on the boat.
I do a modified version of what Jake mentioned. While hanging on to the crossbeam, I find the dagger board with my foot and get my leg to the outside of it and duck under the boat. The board ends up between my legs. My opposite leg now is wrapped around it with my knee bent as I pop up on the other side. I reach up with one hand, find the shroud, then find a trap handle. Then I throw one leg on the hull and pull myself with the trap handle up on the boat. When you have a full camelback and a pfd with a radio and other safety gear, it can be a bit more added weight that you realize that you have to pull up but this worked many times for my 280 pound butt (which is 53 pounds lighter now).
Keyboard sailors are always faster in all conditions.
The jib reaching technique I've come to like is this:
Driver sitting on the hull, far aft at rear beam, traveler line in hand.
Crew on the wire, chicken line attached, in downwind position in footstrap, mainsheet in hand.
Make sure the jib is eased plenty.
Driver plays the traveler and crew plays the mainsheet. Its probably not as fast as twin wire but a lot safer.
The other important thing to know is whether its up or down for the "escape", i.e. is it closer to sail upwind to depower or downwind to depower. When jib reaching its important to know this and for both driver and crew to know which way the driver is going to turn in a last ditch effort to depower if the boat really loads up. Usually we just say "up escape" or "down escape". And if it gets really bad, turn up hard and let everything go, cause if you're eased out a lot already, a "down escape" will still be pretty powered up (as others have mentioned) and you won't be able to keep the bows above the water.
It's all great in theory. What do you do when you can't go up (non-movable mark, i.e a lighthouse) and you can't go down (30 footer below you). I can say you don't seem to have a long enough main sheet in those conditions...
Soooo we went for a swim on the Infusion yesterday. Mostly broken crew, broken egos, and a few chips out of the dagger board trailing edge. We flipped going downwind with the spinnaker up, it's my fault I loosened the foot straps too much and my crew went flying forward as the bow stuffed a bit.
There really is no place to climb back on. We got lucky, really lucky. While I was holding the boat down with the dolphin striker, my crew was trying to get back on the boat. She is strong but not tall enough, there is a lot of volume! She ended up getting separated from the boat (never good), I had to duck under the hull, hold the dolphin striker with one hand, get my body outside the boat, briefly let go of the dolphin striker than find the side stay and start climbing aboard. Then go rescue my crew single handed in breeze and short chop. It wasn't a pretty rescue, hence the broken crew.
In hindsight we should have stayed on the boat and gone deep. Not as fast per se but upside down isn't fast either. Talking with some of the other teams, sitting on the back of the bus may be faster than getting on the wire if you don't have a lot of butt out there. Flat is fast but flat also powers up the main more, driving the bows down more? Thoughts? My personal opinion is the wave state and crew experience level matter most. You don't gain much fore and aft moment getting the crew on the wire but it is faster if the wave state is safe and the crew is comfortable on the wire.
I'll also add that single wire jib reaching deep down in big breeze is generally much safer and faster than spinnaker reaching in said conditions, even if the big boys are carrying the spinnaker they might not be for too long. It's hard to douse once it's up!
Depends on the conditions and ability of crew. I remember on MKL where I was on the wire with my front foot braced against the rear cross bar and the crew halfway behind me. 44 miles never tacked, never came off the wire. If trapped and big waves it helps to have a chicken line.
Ok. Can we try to quantify that for racing around the cans (no chicken wire):
1: Wind strength (should be easy). Up to 8m/s sit in. 9-12 single trap. 13 and above double trap? *add pucker factor as needed and inversely proportional to gust factor. 2: Seastate: Flat -> Go for it Chop -> keep the bows a bit up Short waves (messy) -> Double trap Rolling houses - single trap or sit in
Just to give another view on the subject of jib reaching, I enclose a little vid I made this afternoon when reaching on my northsea-spot. Extra problem was a little biassed swell direction which made the outgoing course a little slower. And the returning ingoing course a bit more tricky because of pushing waves from behind.
I love the reach, we had a good swell with steep chop and were wave jumping on the reach at Last Sundays Rum race here in South Aus here's a bit of the reach and the transition to downwind goes well with the ACDC song http://youtu.be/la-z17VsV6E
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