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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #259702
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Originally Posted by pgp
I'm guessing that's a translation problem. At any rate I got the impression he was referring to possible damage during qualifying, that wind on the bay would be quite high at that time and much reduced later in the year when the Cup is actually run. I was glad to read he was calling for divers, air bags and the like.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #259707
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The AC was not about money and bleeding edge tech when it was being done on 12 Meter yachts. It was also about as fun to watch, as watching paint dry.

Then the Aussies came up with that new keel design and it started evolving into a high tech development race.

Then they changed the boats to AC boats, to go faster, and then Ernesto changed them again, to open class multihulls. That's when it became about who's got the most money.

30 years ago, in the 12M days, the New York YC had a "Defender Series" just to decide who would drive which 12 M to defend the cup, remember when Ted Turner and Gary Jobson won it? Then NYYC hated "The mouth of the south" (Ted) but he was the fastest driver, so they had to let him drive.

I like to see the fast cats racing, but with so few teams able to put up a credible boat, I think it will come down to Oracle vs. Emirates Team NZ. The AC 45 series was much more interesting, but with that many fast teams, LE could lose the cup if it were held on those. I think that's why he wanted to push it out to where very few could afford to compete.

I just wish they would bring back the nationality rules.


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Originally Posted by Timbo
The AC was not about money and bleeding edge tech when it was being done on 12 Meter yachts. It was also about as fun to watch, as watching paint dry.

Then the Aussies came up with that new keel design and it started evolving into a a high tech development race.

Then they changed the boats to AC boats, to go faster, and then Ernesto changed them again, to open class multihulls. That's when it became about who's got the most money.

30 years ago, in the 12M days, the New York YC had a "Defender Series" just to decide who would drive which 12 M to defend the cup, remember when Ted Turner and Gary Jobson won it? Then NYYC hated "The mouth of the south" (Ted) but he was the fastest driver, so they had to let him drive.

I like to see the fast cats racing, but with so few teams able to put up a credible boat, I think it will come down to Oracle vs. Emirates Team NZ. The AC 45 series was much more interesting, but with that many fast teams, LE could lose the cup if it were held on those. I think that's why he wanted to push it out to where very few could afford to compete.

I just wish they would bring back the nationality rules.


Actually watching the after race interviews with Ted Turner and Tom Blackaller were awesome.


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Yeah, Ted was a hoot, but the actual racing, at 7kts or less in light air, was pretty boring. Once one boat got ahead, it was pretty much game over. Not that the last one, with the big cat vs. big tri was any different in that regard, and even with two foiling AC72's it might end up being just a drag race, ie. first boat across the start line won't be caught, unless it breaks, which looks entirely possible at this point!


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Shortly after Turner won the AC he became active on the TheMightyHobie18 for a short time. Anyone know what happened?

And what kind of air bags were being considered for the 72s? I agree that automotive style bags aren't appropriate but I was thinking something like they use in salvage work, attach it to the sunken hull to keep it afloat. I can see that that might have an application to rescue a trapped sailor.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: pgp] #259711
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Originally Posted by pgp
Shortly after Turner won the AC he became active on the TheMightyHobie18 for a short time. Anyone know what happened?

And what kind of air bags were being considered for the 72s? I agree that automotive style bags aren't appropriate but I was thinking something like they use in salvage work, attach it to the sunken hull to keep it afloat. I can see that that might have an application to rescue a trapped sailor.


They were talking about mast head air bags...which is silly because they break apart shortly after capsizing.


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Safety press conference first . . .




then this??
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after the recommendation to do this!


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"The Artemis team has yet to indicate its clear intention to continue. The boat that broke up cannot be sailed and its repair may be hampered if reports are true that the second boat, the one it intended to campaign in, was damaged in transit from Sweden and will require repairs."


Really? You have to wonder about the leadership of this group.


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If I understand correctly beam failure caused Artemis's destruction, if so at a minimum they would need to rejig their beams on the second boat. I think the boat is supposed to be designed by the nation it's representing but they could give the kiwi's a call and see what their layup was as they seem to quietly go about their business


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Originally Posted by JeffS
If I understand correctly beam failure caused Artemis's destruction, if so at a minimum they would need to rejig their beams on the second boat. I think the boat is supposed to be designed by the nation it's representing but they could give the kiwi's a call and see what their layup was as they seem to quietly go about their business


they had some initial damage to the boat when they first launched the platform. I didn't get much detail but it seems to have had something to do with a mistake made while towing or rigging the boat somehow. The boat had to go back into the shed for repairs and was out of commission for some time. I believe this damage was in the area that ultimately failed...so it wasn't necessarily a design flaw.


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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by JeffS
If I understand correctly beam failure caused Artemis's destruction, if so at a minimum they would need to rejig their beams on the second boat. I think the boat is supposed to be designed by the nation it's representing but they could give the kiwi's a call and see what their layup was as they seem to quietly go about their business


they had some initial damage to the boat when they first launched the platform. I didn't get much detail but it seems to have had something to do with a mistake made while towing or rigging the boat somehow. The boat had to go back into the shed for repairs and was out of commission for some time. I believe this damage was in the area that ultimately failed...so it wasn't necessarily a design flaw.


I believe they hoisted by the beam without any pre-load down force , where the mast would have been. As it was designed for sailing with wing up and massive downforce loads, the opposite caused a problem.


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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever

I believe they hoisted by the beam without any pre-load down force , where the mast would have been. As it was designed for sailing with wing up and massive downforce loads, the opposite caused a problem.


Sort of like flying the spin with no mainsheet tension?


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If flying 72 foot catamarans are a reality, can flying motorcycles be far behind?

This guy already has put a 9 cylinder radial airplane engine on his bike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hirsRnytTkU



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Originally Posted by Timbo
If flying 72 foot catamarans are becoming are now a reality, can flying motorcycles be far behind?

This guy already has put a 9 cylinder radial airplane engine on his bike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hirsRnytTkU



I think his prop is a little undersized.


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I think you're right! But, if you don't have enough money for a custom motorcycle with an airplane engine, you can always build an...

Air Bike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyjyU36qBU

After a few beers, I decided to take a Cub up for a joy ride...not a good idea! I had no idea it was being filmed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfrPuZG3Kuk





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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Timbo
If flying 72 foot catamarans are becoming are now a reality, can flying motorcycles be far behind?

This guy already has put a 9 cylinder radial airplane engine on his bike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hirsRnytTkU



I think his prop is a little undersized.

Especially since those things are air-cooled by the slipstream. I sense overheating in his future.

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Hmmm... maybe - maybe not. Duty cycle would be a lot lower on the bike.

What I'd be afraid of is the belt under the left knee.


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