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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260322
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Big winds yesterday and did a couple of races.
Today even more wind and it looks like there will not be any races today (25-35kts).

Video from yesterday :

-- Have You Seen This? --
Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Tony_F18] #260443
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We sailed on the Friday, and for us that was it. after the cancellation on the Saturday the Sunday was also rather challenging. As we have to little experiences with the sea, we found the 6 bft a little too much. Especially with the big waves.

here you find a video from the (only about 100 boats who did sailed)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRcSnaoO_rI


Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260445
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Very cool. Noticed quite a few guys with brain buckets on. In those conditions, I get it. I'd probably seriously consider it as well - especially in the crew position.


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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260527
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Results Class 1

Top three corrected was a fight.


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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: David Ingram] #260528
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Results Class 1

Top three corrected was a fight.



35 seconds ,amazing. So the F-18 is the scratch boat for rating?


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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #260529
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Looks like it and it looks like the N17 has the same rating.


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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260530
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There were 3 boats with faster times. 2 N20 carbons and a JTV 20(what ever that is). The fastest boat was about 12 min ahead.

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JTV20 is just a regular N20c, the owner is working on foiling but didn't use them.
The first N17 actually capsized twice during the race, could have been those 35 seconds.

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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Tony_F18] #260532
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
JTV20 is just a regular N20c, the owner is working on foiling but didn't use them.
The first N17 actually capsized twice during the race, could have been those 35 seconds.


35 seconds to recover from a two capsizes that's 17.5 seconds a capsize. I think it would be safe to say that they would have have easily taken corrected honors if it were not for the capsizes. Do you know if the top 18's stayed upright?



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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260533
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Nah those guys could get it upright in 17.5 seconds Dave! N17 faster than a F18? Who would ever think that...

Peter Vink was first over the line on a F20c with t-foils. First F16 is way back in 19th place corrected...I thought light boats were always faster? Oh wait that's a different thread.

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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: samc99us] #260534
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Nah those guys could get it upright in 17.5 seconds Dave! N17 faster than a F18? Who would ever think that...

Peter Vink was first over the line on a F20c with t-foils. First F16 is way back in 19th place corrected...I thought light boats were always faster? Oh wait that's a different thread.


Eeewwww snarky, I'll have some of that. Is the talent level on the top F18 equal to the top F16? A little tid bit that is often conveniently left out to support the story teller's position. It does make me chuckle when people take the position that a lighter boat is somehow at a disadvantage because it's light. All things being equal a lighter platform is ALWAYS faster then one that is heavier.


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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260535
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There is a video of the N17's pitchpole (click on link below and skip to 3:40):
http://nos.nl/video/519013-zeilmaker-vink-snelste-rond-texel.html

It was caused by double trapping on a tight reach smile

Because of the race being held on Sunday instead of the usual Saturday there had been a big reshuffle of crews, the Nacra F16 all-girl crew had not sailed together and was very light, 19th place was a good results nonetheless.

Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: samc99us] #260536
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Chances are the 35 sec are in texel imaginary time.. Look for the BCE time to figure out what the secs in the real world that they need to save.


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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260537
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Mark they have the raw finish times in that table and it says 35 seconds.

Tony thank you for the video and first hand reporting. That shot with Mischa screaming down a jib reach next to the Boskalis race-winning F20c, followed by the N17 wipeout is simply nuts. What helmets are they wearing and where do I order a pair?

Thought I'd get you to bite Dave...of course the faster sailors win! Also pretty clear that the N17 is faster with crew rated equal to the top F18 teams on the course...since it's really a F18 rig with a lighter hull of near equal length, it should be faster.



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Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260538
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Took this shot near the finish line, the N17 is only just ahead of the F18 (Mischa):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cauk9swpac84jme/2013-06-16%2014.47.40.jpg

This is the helmet some of them use:
http://www.forward-sailing.com/technical-sailing-clothing/sailing-helmet/sailing-helmet

Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Tony_F18] #260548
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Already thought of that many times while having discussions about wearing helmets when skiing, riding a bike or whatever. We wear life jackets, flares, knifes, and have a phone on board in case of an emergency, but a helmet seems a good idea to me.

Once made a pitch pole with our previous nacra (could throw it with the garbage after this action) which was very rough and we realized that we're very lucky afterwards. Such actions make you think...

Re: Round of texel 2013 [Re: Arjan13] #260552
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These seem similar to the Garth helmets stocked by Murrays in the U.S. I'm pretty tempted to just use my ski helmet, which again is very similar and I'm sure would be just as effective.

What's up with all that mast bend on Mischa's boat? Also seen here on a C2: http://www.thebeachcats.com/classifieds/data/1/Steeple2012_2.jpg

I've looked up and seen it a fair amount on the Infusion then had the helm yank the mainsheet back in, of course then the leech ends up a little hooked...but I'd rather keep the mast in the air especially on a double wire reach.

Speaking of double wire reaching, word on the street is the Nacra 17's are double wire downwind all the time. Something we may see on the F18's soon with new sail shapes?


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