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Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261784
07/27/13 05:18 PM
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Did you just use a router to trim off the excess?

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Re: 1740 [Re: Beckit 1824] #261785
07/27/13 06:32 PM
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Didn't use a router for that.....

with hull on its side....

I used an offcut (approx. 12"x4"in size)of laminex I had laying around, it's ~1.5mm thick.
I laid it up against the hull and then ran the jigsaw down the deck.
The laminex is tough enough to stop the blade from hacking into the hull and it also provided a cutting depth that was easy to follow.... simply slid the laminex along as I cut with the jigsaw.
cool

Once the cut was done I ran the #4 Stanley plane along the cut until I just skimmed the original paint on the hull, then the sanding block came out to finish off the join.

sounds easy and it was to a certain extent, the jigsawing was the slowest part
shocked
I took my time with the jigsaw which is probably why it took longer than the plane work or sanding, I didn't want the blade to rip the deck to bits so steady as she goes capt'n was the order of the day

I also had the choice of 2 different blade types for the jigsaw, the traditional teeth points facing up blade and one I'd not seen before teeth facing down.......
I thought the downward facing teeth would be a better choice as they wouldn't tear at the actual deck surface, sadly all it did was to push the jigsaw back into my hand and start bouncing... blade swap to the traditional blade and away we went.


Only issues I had was the shroud mounts, with these I cut up as close as I could with the jigsaw from one direction and then cut up to it from the opposite side, I then used the 2 cuts as a guide for the tenon-saw..... there was ~50mm of deck to handsaw away at each shroud point.


the scary part of the day was the front hatch hole and centreboard cuts.....
Luckily I'd marked the hull and written down the measurements for their location, both holes were a little nerv racking as the pilot hole was drilled.... nailed it .. grin


The stupid bit.........
whilst I did spend a bit of time marking and writing down the details for the holes in the decks......
I have fully ignored the other fittings that were screwed to the decks
crazy
so now its a bit of guess work as to where they went, one cleat for the rudder system and one guide for the centre board system .....

[Linked Image]

I'll blame the rum .....
wink





Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261842
07/30/13 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pirate
I have fully ignored the other fittings that were screwed to the decks
crazy
so now its a bit of guess work as to where they went, one cleat for the rudder system and one guide for the centre board system .....


this looks right ...... I gather it was used as a haulup to lift the plates up, as to whether it was simitainously of individualy I'm not sure, one thing I am sure of is that the system had been deleted, the cord has long been cut on one plate and is completely missing on the other.
one less thing I need not worry about then wink


view in both pics from the tramp side (shroud mount in the background)

plate down & showing the corresponding scuff marks on the plate's head.
[Linked Image]

plate up, showing the remains of the cord ....

[Linked Image]


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Kingy
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Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261843
07/30/13 05:26 AM
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This was another of those silly annoying jobs that I wanted to make much easier for myself and for future owners......

the removal of the bolts (originaly fitted without washers) would require a disjointed arm in order to get a spanner on the locknuts inside the hull..... removal would be ok-ish but re-installation was going to be hell !!!

I made a plate and tig-welded the nuts to that plate and then glued the plate to the inside of the hull....

the other issue was caused by the lack of a washer under the bolts head, this had crushed the hull somewhat and water had then entered, more tightening and more crushing resulted in minor damage to the outer hull.

step one was the plates I've mentioned already wink
(sorry but I forgot to take a pic )

step 2 was to "drill out" the effected area
(16mm drill bit turned by hand allows the 15.5mm washer to fit snugly into the rebate)
[Linked Image]

step 3 was to wrap the bolts thread and the washer in Teflon tape.... resin doesn't stick to Teflon .... that means I can remove the bolts and the nuts stay put and the bolts run freely in the resin.
added advantage is that I now have a solid resin "plug" under the washer, this will assist in spreading the load more evenly and give far better support from over-tightening....
As it turned out the bolt actually stops dead once its limit is reached
smile
the resin was added with the bolt screwed in most of the way, hence the Teflon wrapped around the washer aswell, that held the washer up out of the way while I added the resin, the bolt was then wound in until the resin was squeezed out slightly
[Linked Image]




Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261844
07/30/13 05:30 AM
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finished job.....

bolts wound out easily and the Teflon has remained on the thread...
washers are level with the hull surface

[Linked Image]


yeah a silly waste of time and I'm being tooooooo fussy.....
I'll enjoy this when it comes to repainting the hull tho wink


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261845
07/30/13 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pirate
Originally Posted by thricebitten
.... held in place with staples gunned through packing strap, then you pull the packing strap up to pull out the staples ......


..... I should have run hay-band under each staple, would have made the process much easier and quicker too
a 'zig-zag' pattern with the hay-band would have let me run the staples in a nice straight lines as I did .....


its works a treat smile smile smile smile

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one or 2 sharp tugs at the hay-band resulted in ......
[Linked Image]

NB to self:
next time tie a knot in one end of the hay-band and pull the other end, this way the last staple wont let the hay-band slip straight through....
frown


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Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261846
07/30/13 05:56 AM
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Next step.......

learning how to use micro-ballons & resin as a filler

suggestions anyone

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2197 views and counting.....
& not a single "well you stuffed that up" .....yet
[Linked Image]
that deserves a reward..... where's the rum
wink


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Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261851
07/30/13 06:50 AM
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Make small batches, stir it a "lot" and keep mixing it in till it's like peanut butter and the pot is getting hot in your hand. Use it quickly and wipe of excess... Lot easier than sanding it later! Talc is a good, cheap filler but the end result will be harder than if you used micro balloons and more work to sand.

Cheers


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Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261866
07/30/13 05:14 PM
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Same as your paint preparations too. Temperature is a big killer of epoxy. There should be a curing 'range' on the tin, otherwise it won't cure properly or will dry too brittle.

Good air flow helps for a even cure too.

Luke

Re: 1740 [Re: Beckit 1824] #261878
07/31/13 04:45 AM
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Kingy, You might have trouble getting micro-balloons and resin to fill staple holes, because they are so finer a hole. I know its not easy for us to get stuff where we are, but theres a two part epoxy filler called Epifill that takes to staple holes and pin holes left behind in fillers a lot better. You can try it though, but usually ends in swearing and not getting many filled before the epoxy goes off.

Sorry, one of those things you don't think of when asked what materials you need.


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Re: 1740 [Re: Simon C] #261879
07/31/13 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Simon C
..... keep mixing it in till it's like peanut butter and the pot is getting hot .....



worked a treat, thanks for the tip

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Kingy
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Re: 1740 [Re: Got Wood] #261880
07/31/13 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Farmer
... two part epoxy filler called Epifill ...


Thanks Matt
Tighter 10 here we come
wink


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Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261883
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Yeah not sure they'll be of any help. Its a specialised marine filler made by International. Actually if I can find it now, I will drop mine in your mailbox? early in the morning, I'm heading off to Sydney tomorrow, via Simpson.


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Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261941
08/01/13 08:25 AM
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started work on the other hull tonight, more staples frown

I also decided on yet another modification to other stainless steel fittings, so last night was spent at the w/shop on the folder and press.....
I'll do some tig work over the w/end to finish them off.

pics to follow shortly

wink


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Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261963
08/02/13 06:32 AM
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not happy with this setup......

10mm "bread board" packers...... really crazy

[Linked Image]

don't even line up with the bottom pin... mad

[Linked Image]

the top pin doesn't even make it through the arm

[Linked Image]

yuk yuk yuk.....



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Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261964
08/02/13 06:38 AM
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this is what I put through the folder and press the other night... the replacement will get the 'tig' thrown at it over the w/end and will actually work a lot better

[Linked Image]

& yes it has to be 'shaped' yet....

grin


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #261965
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this will also pay a visit to my tig.......

[Linked Image]

once I get the twist out mad

[Linked Image]

cry


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #262015
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It was with the best intentions that I drop that filler into you on Thursday morning, but as usual at that ungodly hour, I drove straight through and forgot about it.

Then I thought, thats not so bad I'll be coming back through Saturday night, and at 3.00am Sunday morning driving back through, you'll never guess what I did, or rather didn't do....

I'll try and find someone thats heading over in the next couple of days, unless you've already found something else.

Its been a long couple of days.


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Re: 1740 [Re: Got Wood] #262019
08/04/13 01:12 AM
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not a problem mate..... not quite ready for it yet anyway wink

&


since when has Simpson had an air-field [Linked Image]

any news from the 2 "on tour" ??


cool


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Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1740 [Re: Pirate] #262021
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I wish I flew from Simpson. I drove an 1984 Mack truck from Simpson to Gloucester and back, picking up a Leyland and a Nuffield tractors. Top Speed 90km/h up and about 85km/h home.

Left Thursday Morning got back this morning at 2.30am.

And I'm about to go to bed, and win a bit more back.


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