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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262484
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262489
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Dean Barker on sailing upwind

Dean wouldn't lie to us would he?
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262490
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Originally Posted by P.M.
Sirena and Barker share their views on Oracle investigation.


I'm still surprised a little at the amount of bravado expressed over that 5 lbs of weight. I mean, it's conceivable that the modification was made at a very low level in the team by someone that didn't understand the impact on the rules. It's also possible that it wasn't communicated/approved by anyone above these guys that should have known better. I suppose the court of public opinion is easier to sway if you are bold and a little over the top with your proclaimed supposition.

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Originally Posted by Jake
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Sirena and Barker share their views on Oracle investigation.


I'm still surprised a little at the amount of bravado expressed over that 5 lbs of weight. I mean, it's conceivable that the modification was made at a very low level in the team by someone that didn't understand the impact on the rules. It's also possible that it wasn't communicated/approved by anyone above these guys that should have known better. I suppose the court of public opinion is easier to sway if you are bold and a little over the top with your proclaimed supposition.


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The gains upwind would have been negated downwind anyway. Besides, it's MORE weight.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #262494
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by P.M.
Sirena and Barker share their views on Oracle investigation.


I'm still surprised a little at the amount of bravado expressed over that 5 lbs of weight. I mean, it's conceivable that the modification was made at a very low level in the team by someone that didn't understand the impact on the rules. It's also possible that it wasn't communicated/approved by anyone above these guys that should have known better. I suppose the court of public opinion is easier to sway if you are bold and a little over the top with your proclaimed supposition.


It doesn't make sense for RC, LE and crew to risk their reputation and respect of their competitors on a silly 5lbs inconsequential weight.

The only way I can see this being intentional is if RC wanted to do something JUST like this to get the competitors focused on things other than the competition. Rope-a-dope.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262496
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262501
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Vid with both OR boats. OR2 sporting new fairing under the jib and shorty pole.

http://vimeo.com/72504298

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262502
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Foiling gybes are definitely NOT smooth - thats for sure. I really hope that OTUSA is sandbagging.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: ThunderMuffin] #262503
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How much time on the water did Oracle lose? about 2 months?? That seems to be the amount of skill /time on the water behind they are.

Do they have a design ace in the hole to make up for the loss???

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262505
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Live feed for the Defender Trials starts in less than two hours.
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: ThunderMuffin] #262507
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Foiling gybes are definitely NOT smooth - thats for sure. I really hope that OTUSA is sandbagging.


The guy that took that vid said the wind was 6-12 knots during the first few gybes. The other thing is make sure which boat your looking at. Focus on OR2. Easy to tell now by the sprit.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262511
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Its hard to know conditions at the time to make that call. I saw ETNZ not look great foiling a week or two ago due to blustery conditions.

I think they'll be fine.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262513
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Well, I think that's the first time we've seen a race postponed due to the high wind limit.

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When I click on the Youtube link at the AC page, for the LV finals, it says not available in your country. Really?

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262516
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Dagger board damage right before the start is not good for LR.

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Hacksaw! This is interesting . . .

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Like I mentioned before, it's live via the APP. YouTube is blackout in North America.

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Tawd,
virtual eye is good and you get commentary and all mics.
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