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I did not know a Wave could go that fast #262467
08/15/13 12:46 PM
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Last night my GPS showed 26-27 kts a couple of times while trying to beat a thunderstorm back to shore, on a Wave.

It was during the Wed Night Races on Clear Lake. We were about halfway through the race, with a thunderstorm skirting the northern lake shore, like storms normally do there.I was watching the storm but did not expect it to do anything except suck wind away.Then, I started hearing flogging sails and saw some mono hulls closer to shore heel hard over. Later I heard the trailing edge of the storm whipped down over the lake. I decided to head for home.

It was a broad reach home. When the wind hit, it was violent. Spray off flat water, bows burying for about 30 secs and suddenly I was in ~15 kts. Wow, I am going to make it! Then I looked back and realized I had outrun the wind line but it was catching up. 50-100 ft behind me, it's blowing spray off flat water. 3 more times the wind line caught up and tried to pitchpole me. At the southern side of the lake, where I turn down a channel to the dock, me and a Catalina 22 got lucky. The storm paused when it hit the southern shore. Looking back I watched a Ranger 23 broach at the channel entrance. I had just gotten sail down and was heading for the dock under mast alone when it hit. and did not let up for a while.

At one point I looked at the GPS and it showed 26 kts. At home I looked at the log and it showed 4 big spikes, highest at 27.4 kts, with 12-13 kts in between.The speed may be real. Another boat said they were indicating 20 and I just screamed past.

There is no real moral or point to this post other than I didn't know a Wave would go that fast and I have never been caught multiple times by a storm, Seeing a black spray wall catching you is not a feeling I want to repeat.

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262476
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You were doing 20+ knots with just the mast up???

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262477
08/15/13 08:28 PM
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Now THAT, Carl, is a story to tell at the bar at considerable volume and emphasis. Way to live life - glad you are safe, and appreciative that you shared. Good one! Cheers!


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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262479
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Now i'm not calling you a liar, however, you could always post the track so we can all see it.

Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262480
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Spikes could be from poor satellite reception through the dense clouds and GPS making corrections(assumptions). Or they could be from a major straight wind front that keeps squirting you forward. I wouldn't think that you would be able to double your speed in quick bursts like that without either pitching or breaking something (mast/torn sail). Would be cool to see the track overlayed with a dopler radar image. Maybe someone at Garmin is working on that feature.

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262481
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Hey Carl,
That was a nasty storm that came through. I had to send my boats at work back to the dock for it. There were gust over 40knts registered at a few locations.
I was thinking about the lake races as it was coming through. I have heard a few other good stories, but none as good as yours. Glad you made it back safe!


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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262604
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Being the 11th fastest wave sailor on the planet.... smile I can tell you they don't go that fst. I call shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by xanderwess
Being the 11th fastest wave sailor on the planet.... smile I can tell you they don't go that fst. I call shenanigans.



Oh I don't know...I did 118 knots in my P-19 off of the Naval Academy in the Chesapeake bay. The GPS said it so it must be so.


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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: ] #262646
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Originally Posted by xanderwess
Being the 11th fastest wave sailor on the planet.... smile I can tell you they don't go that fst. I call shenanigans.


Must have left the GPS in the tramp pouch taking the boat home on the trailer. laugh


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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: Mugrace72] #262670
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Originally Posted by Mugrace72
Originally Posted by xanderwess
Being the 11th fastest wave sailor on the planet.... smile I can tell you they don't go that fst. I call shenanigans.


Must have left the GPS in the tramp pouch taking the boat home on the trailer. laugh

Carl is not prone to hyperbole.

That was a pretty evil little storm that came through. I was glad I was tucked up inside with a beer.


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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262672
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I keep hoping the Wave lovers will step in and something about the performance aspects of full bows and relatively low aspect rigs.

In any case the humble Wave is looking better and better.

Last edited by pgp; 08/20/13 05:10 AM.

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262673
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I've had my Garmin ETrex handheld show me doing 32 knots...while rolling my boat 20 yards down to my beach.

If I tack quickly, sometimes it will show a momentary speed of 25kts or such, which is obviously wrong.

I think when you bounce the boat around, as in rolling it to the beach or tacking in waves, something is screwy in the reception, causing a momentary 'jump' in position, and thus a speed spike, when it tries to figure out how you got from over there to over here so quickly.

The fastest I've been able to 'see' and believe to be true, with my handheld, is about 19kts. on a broad reach in about 20-25 knots wind, Uni, no spinnaker, boards way up, on my F16.



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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: Timbo] #262689
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Originally Posted by Timbo


The fastest I've been able to 'see' and believe to be true, with my handheld, is about 19kts. on a broad reach in about 20-25 knots wind, Uni, no spinnaker, boards way up, on my F16.



20-21kts is about tops for a modern conventional beachcat...I doubt if a Wave can exceed 15-16kts for any distance.


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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: Mugrace72] #262692
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Originally Posted by Mugrace72
20-21kts is about tops for a modern conventional beachcat...I doubt if a Wave can exceed 15-16kts for any distance.


I wonder what these guys can do... (I want one)

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262699
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This video of the Flying Phantom (16 feet?) says "Top speed 26.4 kts".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5doBIv3TVbA


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Originally Posted by Mugrace72


20-21kts is about tops for a modern conventional beachcat...I doubt if a Wave can exceed 15-16kts for any distance.


Really??? The old Tornado (single trap, non-spin) had much higher polars than that. I'm pretty sure H16s have been clocked well over 20knots in speed races (reaches against the clock).

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: carlbohannon] #262703
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We've regularly averaged in the 20-22 kt range on the N20 and F18. Top speed has been reported at 30kts. I suspect the real world number is in the 25 kt range, well I've seen that in flat water and big breeze.

The C-Class shown above has reported 27 kts. I suspect we'll see those guys pushings 40 kts in a straight line.

The Flying Phantom is the 18 foot, F18 Phantom hulls built in carbon, platform widened and full foiling added. They have said 30 kts is well within reach for that platform and it is noticeably faster downwind than a stock F18.

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Re: I did not know a Wave could go that fast [Re: Redtwin] #262729
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Sorry for the delay, I have been busy. I will try to post a track.

No matter what the real speed was, I did not know a Wave would go that fast. Or as one of the other boats said, "we were way past rudder hum"

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Foiling speed?

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Man why do people have to come on here and knock on the guys' good story?



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