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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262723
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Typical here. Saw the exact same article from another source. Didn't like the fact that they stated NZ "Crashing". Really?


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I had a coworker lament about the current format. He doesn't know much about sailing but has watched some America's Cup sailing in the past. He came across it on the TV schedule so he dialed it up. Even though he's engineer-esque, the advanced technology was lost on him because he doesn't have a basis for comparison. From his perspective, the racing is boring - there are no sail changes, no spin poles breaking, and it's a one pony show. I tried my argument for the incredible technology and even dialed up a video of the NZ stuffing the other day. It was an opinion that I couldn't counter. Nope, not interested.

I thought it was an interesting (and probably a quite common) outsider opinion.


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Originally Posted by Jake
I had a coworker lament about the current format. He doesn't know much about sailing but has watched some America's Cup sailing in the past. He came across it on the TV schedule so he dialed it up. Even though he's engineer-esque, the advanced technology was lost on him because he doesn't have a basis for comparison. From his perspective, the racing is boring - there are no sail changes, no spin poles breaking, and it's a one pony show. I tried my argument for the incredible technology and even dialed up a video of the NZ stuffing the other day. It was an opinion that I couldn't counter. Nope, not interested.

I thought it was an interesting (and probably a quite common) outsider opinion.


See I had the opposite reaction from my non-sailing friend that I've gotten hooked on this AC. My friend Robert wants to buy a hobie now and is glued to his tablet watching every race... He's totally hooked on the speed and technology of the boats.

My friend Dave at work loves the thrill of disaster. He ate up the ETNZ nosedive and all he said was "The only thing that would have made that better is if they had wrecked!"

The only people that seem to be displeased with the racing so far - from my anecdotal observations - are sailors.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Tony_F18] #262727
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
I'm not familiar with every US news outlet but the general tone about this AC is very cynical, like this item by Gawker:
http://gawker.com/silicon-folly-how-to-make-an-extreme-sailboat-race-d-1160928481


Ouch...at least he didn't notice how badly the judges dorked up the ruling in last Artemis race.


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Originally Posted by Jake
I had a coworker lament about the current format. He doesn't know much about sailing but has watched some America's Cup sailing in the past. He came across it on the TV schedule so he dialed it up. Even though he's engineer-esque, the advanced technology was lost on him because he doesn't have a basis for comparison. From his perspective, the racing is boring - there are no sail changes, no spin poles breaking, and it's a one pony show. I tried my argument for the incredible technology and even dialed up a video of the NZ stuffing the other day. It was an opinion that I couldn't counter. Nope, not interested.

I thought it was an interesting (and probably a quite common) outsider opinion.


Hate to say it but I'm in your coworkers camp on this one. It has been a one boat race and there is only so many times you can watch a boat do the same thing alone. There is no pre start engagment and it's follow the leader after that. The 45's was the event to watch, the LV has been a yawn.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #262730
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Everything about the 45's was great to watch. The coverage, the overlays, the cameras stuck everywhere, it was awesomeness. I think watching sailing makes watching paint dry look exciting, but they nailed it. Had they been foiling I probably would've needed a moist towel after every event.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #262731
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Originally Posted by Jake
I had a coworker lament about the current format. He doesn't know much about sailing but has watched some America's Cup sailing in the past. He came across it on the TV schedule so he dialed it up. Even though he's engineer-esque, the advanced technology was lost on him because he doesn't have a basis for comparison. From his perspective, the racing is boring - there are no sail changes, no spin poles breaking, and it's a one pony show. I tried my argument for the incredible technology and even dialed up a video of the NZ stuffing the other day. It was an opinion that I couldn't counter. Nope, not interested.

I thought it was an interesting (and probably a quite common) outsider opinion.


Did you read today's Scuttlebutt? Ian Murry said pretty much the same thing, and that the AC 45's is where it should have stayed, for the AC, with many more challengers, it would have been much more 'fun' to watch, vs. one broken boat vs. another nearly broken boat, each taking turns sailing alone.

I don't think LE wanted too many other challengers though, too much chance of losing the cup! Right now, he's about the only one who can afford to race for it!


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Racing has always been about who can write the biggest check. Doesn't matter what you are racing.


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While we are all bitching I would like to add to the list the brilliant selection of NBCSport's Todd (I don't know diddly squat about sailboats but NBC suckered into my enlightening prose) Harris.


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Think about 2010 cup. Same thing. Boring race accept for the one crossing at the windward mark, and Jimmy going into irons at the start. The rest of it was marveling in awesome technology. Remember everyone glued to the internet, watching a local San Diego web cam, as the unseen winged tri BMW/Oracle Godzilla cruised around in the bay?


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Live broadcast of today's races on ESPN3
Race 4 starts 13:10 PDT, Race 5 at 14:10
You also have Virtual Eye, which I really like.

Think we'll see a race???


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They've had 24+ hours to charge the stupid batteries. Lets hope they are ready to go.

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Originally Posted by Undecided
They've had 24+ hours to charge the stupid batteries. Lets hope they are ready to go.


They must have been so busy with the repair that they forgot to plug it in....but, heck, even my Tybee crews have a list of things to inspect and take care of every day.


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Any thoughts on what type of batteries these were? Something that couldn't be changed on the water in emergency I suppose?

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Originally Posted by P.M.
While we are all bitching I would like to add to the list the brilliant selection of NBCSport's Todd (I don't know diddly squat about sailboats but NBC suckered into my enlightening prose) Harris.

I thought they said earlier he had been involved with an AC awhile ago. Doesn't sound like it. He's pretty useless( like tits on a bull or a rubber beak on a woodpecker) and Tucker ain't much better and he has no excuse. Can them all except Ken Read and hire Nathan Outteridge full time, and maybe keep on Annie Gardener, she's fun ( Hmmmm.. what do they all ahve in common?). At least they would inform the uninformed with the proper terms and techniques instead of just spewing never-ending, space filling, verbal diarrhea. It's like they get their pay docked for any second of silence, so just say something even if it's wrong.


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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Everything about the 45's was great to watch. The coverage, the overlays, the cameras stuck everywhere, it was awesomeness. I think watching sailing makes watching paint dry look exciting, but they nailed it. Had they been foiling I probably would've needed a moist towel after every event.


You guys keep praising the 45s, but that was fleet and match racing. The 45 match racing was just as boring. Ahead at first mark gets the gun.
The fleet racing was exciting because more boats creates more chance for confrontation.
Personally I've stopped trying to pitch this AC to people. Ya either like it or you don't, and if you do it, you probably like it. My monohull sailing friends feed me crap about this AC like I was the one that set the format, probably because I'm one of the only multihull guys they know. Like I said before the AC is not ready for, or deserving of multihulls, not the other way around.


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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Racing has always been about who can write the biggest check. Doesn't matter what you are racing.


Wow Karl, now I see where the sh$t starts. Local winners in our parts haven't spent more than $500/year on the boat. They go out with a 5+ year old main, jib and spinnaker and whoop up on our sorry butts. Another case in point, Mischa winning with the not really stock but still old Tiger at 2010 Canadian Nationals. Take the best sailors in the world, throw them on a 5 year old boat and they will still kick your and my butt. I could go on but time on the water beats money thrown at the boat everyday. Please see LR vs. ETNZ, both equally funded teams, maybe ETNZ has more money. Who is winning and why; the base design package was the same.

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So ya have to be a movie star, rocker, or a prince to get a ride on the 72's . . .
I wanna ride too!


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Originally Posted by samc99us
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Racing has always been about who can write the biggest check. Doesn't matter what you are racing.


Wow Karl, now I see where the sh$t starts. Local winners in our parts haven't spent more than $500/year on the boat. They go out with a 5+ year old main, jib and spinnaker and whoop up on our sorry butts. Another case in point, Mischa winning with the not really stock but still old Tiger at 2010 Canadian Nationals. Take the best sailors in the world, throw them on a 5 year old boat and they will still kick your and my butt. I could go on but time on the water beats money thrown at the boat everyday. Please see LR vs. ETNZ, both equally funded teams, maybe ETNZ has more money. Who is winning and why; the base design package was the same.


Equipment is just one part of the equation. Many of us on here have enough natural talent to compete at a top level, but time that could be spent honing those skills, or working with a trainer, or a dietitian, or a coach is wasted on making sure you've got a roof over your head slogging away at your job. Then there's all the expense of travel both domestically and internationally to make sure you're not the king of whatever sad little hill anyone calls home.


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