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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #262974
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I guess if you have your sights set on being the World Champion you're right. You're probably also lacking a professional career in sailmaking. Here's a good interview with Arno Terra (DnA)where he states his thoughts on foiling rule changes among other things.
Arno Interview

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Regardless, it will be the members of that Class that make that decision. Not teh internets.

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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #262975
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Go to usaca.info and look at what is available.

And this would be a good value. http://usaca.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=627:2005-a3&catid=7:a-class-catamarans-for-sale&Itemid=20

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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: John Williams] #262994
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Originally Posted by John Williams
I don't ever expect to be a champion on that boat.


At least you're honest with yourself, which I suspect leads to more enjoyment of the sport for you.

Given your experience, what's a good platform for a tall dude slowly sliding out of shape? And can you install a gimbaled cup-holder on it?


Jay

Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #262997
08/29/13 08:27 AM
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For you Jay? A Wave! It's already got cup holders!

But Leah is still going to kick your azz!

PS, if the Wave had a trapeze and a spinnaker, I'd have one already.


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Timbo] #262998
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Originally Posted by Timbo
For you Jay? A Wave! It's already got cup holders!

But Leah is still going to kick your azz!

PS, if the Wave had a trapeze and a spinnaker, I'd have one already.

Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: waterbug_wpb] #263000
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by John Williams
I don't ever expect to be a champion on that boat.


At least you're honest with yourself, which I suspect leads to more enjoyment of the sport for you.

Given your experience, what's a good platform for a tall dude slowly sliding out of shape? And can you install a gimbaled cup-holder on it?


J/22? :-)


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263002
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Jay, Dave may his his (or someone else's) tongue firmly in cheek, but he's not wrong. At my Club, there are several active fleets, including multihulls. Pick what looks like fun and fits your priorities. IF the time comes for me to set aside catamarans, the local Lido 14 Fleet is very active, very social, lots of guy/girl teams, VERY tight racing, and economical. Options abound. :-)


John Williams

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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: John Williams] #263004
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Originally Posted by John Williams
Jay, Dave may his his (or someone else's) tongue firmly in cheek, but he's not wrong.


You read me like a book Williams and this time it was aimed at Jake. I'm not gonna lie it does look like he's having fun on his little leaner. If you're gonna do handicap might as well do it on a boat where you can keep your beer cold and your sandwiches dry.



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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263014
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The problem with keel boats in Florida is, it's too damned shallow getting into/out of most bays. Great for up nawth, where the water is deep (and cold, even in August!), but not so good in Florida, certainly not in the Naples area where Jay lives.

When I was living in Miami, crewing for Ed Cabassa on his black J24 named "Sambo"(1985-6), we would sometimes run aground in the middle of Biscayne Bay on a low tide!

Yes, it was usually on the berms at the edge of the channel, but still, less than 4' of water, in the middle of the bay??!! I think the entire bay is only about 10' deep, or less in most spots.


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263015
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Dredging is pretty much non-existant in this area so 4' draft is max. and even then you need to stay in the middle of most channels.


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: David Ingram] #263017
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by John Williams
I don't ever expect to be a champion on that boat.


At least you're honest with yourself, which I suspect leads to more enjoyment of the sport for you.

Given your experience, what's a good platform for a tall dude slowly sliding out of shape? And can you install a gimbaled cup-holder on it?


J/22? :-)


Ouch...hey.

I just sailing the J three up and have discovered the awesomeness. Now I have TWO people to blame stuff on!


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263019
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Already got my second boat, N5.0. Easy setup, great d-pn, single-able, cheap as hell! Couldn't afford to sell it!
A-cat would be awesome, but lake pleasant is damn rocky. We call anything under 1" sand.


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: David Ingram] #263020
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by John Williams
I don't ever expect to be a champion on that boat.


At least you're honest with yourself, which I suspect leads to more enjoyment of the sport for you.

Given your experience, what's a good platform for a tall dude slowly sliding out of shape? And can you install a gimbaled cup-holder on it?


J/22? :-)


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: jkkartz1] #263021
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Originally Posted by jkkartz1


Flying Sidewalk/Scot


Beer cold, sandwiches dry and don't have to sail handicap, check, check and check! Might have to put that one on the short list.


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: David Ingram] #263022
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by jkkartz1


Flying Sidewalk/Scot


Beer cold, sandwiches dry and don't have to sail handicap, check, check and check! Might have to put that one on the short list.


I just threw up in my mouth a little. If want to date ugly girls, at least find one with a rockin' bod.......MC Scow, Lightning, 110, etc. Anything but a flying scot!


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: jkkartz1] #263023
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um-kay.... for the benefit of those who don't know me (I have been living under a bridge for basically the past 2 sailing seasons):

- I have no friends (I un-friended myself on FB) so my purchase would be something to single-hand, or worse, single hand with grommets running about (at least they're good swimmers)

- As Timbo pointed out and the charts corroborate, my sailing area is wrought with unmarked shoals and WARNING: ORDINANCE DISPOSAL AREA markings it would seem a max draft of as little 4 feet would still be trouble. 3 foot might do it

- There really are no active OD / SMOD fleets of anything down here. BUT, there are a reasonable number of popular PHRF races

- I don't need any more pickle dishes to justify my (lack of) manliness, especially if it means I have to spend a buttload of $ to stay in an arms race

- I'm too cheap to pay for a mooring or slip space, so it's got to be a trailer sailor. And I've only got a 3500lb hitch.

- I'm a multi-snob because I just can't figure why I want to haul lead around.

- I thought about a dingy, but since most alligators and pythons are about the same size as a Flying Scot, I might want something over 20 feet LWL.

I have a bead on something that may fit all of these criteria. It may have more than 2 hulls, though.


Jay

Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263026
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Search hard for a Maine Cat 22.


Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263027
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There's a Gougeon 32 for sale in Anarchy's classifieds.

Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Karl_Brogger] #263028
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Here you go Jay, and the best part is, you can still use the Hobie 16 hulls for racing if/when you want to race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOC9x5vZBg

Now, if I could just get Matt to build some of those center hulls, I could probably use my Blade hulls in place of the Hobie 16's.


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Re: Contemplating a second boat. [Re: Timbo] #263031
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Here you go Jay, and the best part is, you can still use the Hobie 16 hulls for racing if/when you want to race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOC9x5vZBg

Now, if I could just get Matt to build some of those center hulls, I could probably use my Blade hulls in place of the Hobie 16's.


Matt will build anything you want if you're willing to write the check.


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