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Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #268374
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Good to see it all worked out, even better your crew enjoyed it.

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We put just over 6 hours on the water and it was only a guilt thing that made us come in eventually and we were both suprised at the lateness of the day, time flew allright ....
wink


The boat performed perfectly, the rudder system worked a treat and the handling was absolutely spot on, we did however have a failure with the jib track which is an easy fix and some stitching at the front of the tramp has begun the slow self-distruct thing

After 6 hours we had less then half a cup of water in each hull shocked
I was shocked at this, the old girl is actually very water proof despite her crusty old decks and not so well fitting hatch covers.

immediate changes -> rake mast further forward another hole on the adjuster. replace boom-vang rope, check threads on hatch covers.

cool

The trailer also needs one small change, the one bit I totally forgot to do.
blush


other than that..... I'm going sailing



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Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate] #268379
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Congratulations Kingy, beautiful job! have been watching this thread every day and admiring your handy work. I love the way you have documented the rebuild and hopefully it will help others who travel the same path.


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01/09/14 06:02 PM
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I have also enjoyed following your progress. These days not many people have the skills, knowledge and equipment that you have to take on refurbishment of a couple of old clapped out mosquitos and bring them back to life. Well done....

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #268426
01/12/14 01:24 AM
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Congratulations on your first day of Pennant racing
on twice shy, the green looked good sailing around our little
lake in derrinallum and will be even better if we can get all 5 mozzies on the water!!!The wind was a bit all over the shop but hey, that's lake sailing. smile youve got a good old mozzie for next to nothing I reckon!
See ya next Sunday
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Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Al_scorpion1101] #268432
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Originally Posted by Al_scorpion1101
..... The wind was a bit all over the shop ......


I've never encountered the situation where 2 boats can be on the same leg and less than 20metres apart, and yet one is pointing hard and the other is at broard reach and yet both are traveling at the same speed
crazy

Never run up underneath a tiapan and undertaken them and beat them to the mark only to round the mark and watch helplessly as they sail straight past you less than 10metres away and I'm the windward boat
crazy

That extra lap I did after the last siren was 1/3rd of the time of any of the other laps for the whole day. The lake's wind god obviously wasn't anywhere near me until it didn't matter




I'm going to make a blood sacrifice to the lake wind god next sunday to appease him grin


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Kingy
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& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #268446
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I think you will find Phil, has it written in the constitution that the wind will not treat you well at Deep Lake until you have sailed there for at least a season!


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Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #268449
01/13/14 02:50 AM
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Spot on Ross! Haha
We sailed in the same breeze too but
Have prayed to the deep lake gods for many years wink
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Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #268876
01/28/14 03:44 PM
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She's still floating..... and we're still on the water as much as often as we can. But its not been without issues, we've broken several things and most have been largely due to the weathering of various components, some I did think were a little average but "serviceable" ..... and I was caught out

blush

The list:

1/ Endless jib sheet block
plastic covered block snapped clean in half, what got me was the other one had the visible crack and that was the one I though would go....



2/ Mast top pulley
bit of a no-no when the main sail suddenly falls to the deck
shocked


3/ Mainsail
nearly tore the out-haul shackle point out of the clew due to the corroded brass eyelet failing


4/ Mainsail
head, again another about to tear out shackle point and again that corroded brass eyelet is the culprit


5/ Boom-vang
Snapped rope, it was suspect anyway and I knew it was well past its use-by date


6/ Port foot strap
stitching let go, this I didn't expect nor was the almost swimming result, thankfully the tiller arm is strong
wink



7/ Trampoline
torn leading edge and several small areas of stitching along the sides started to fail, and then rapidly those areas grew !
$40 to re-stitch the entire tramp and fit a new leading edge = BARGIN
laugh


The weathered stitching has been the one that caught me out the most, the other minor problems like the mast filling with water by a combination of corrosion around the rivets and open rivets, most of these have been fixed asap once I'm aware of them......

The shackle points on the main sail were really a failure of the pressed in brass eyelets, these have corroded significantly and put all the load onto the plastic load plate.... we simply cut some thin stainless to the same shape as the original plastic load plate and glued/riveted it back in place, works a treat.


Jurassic Karp's beach rollers have been repaired and are now rolling us around with ease, I even found an easy way to hang them on the trailer
smile
I machined up new plastic bushes that eliminated the need for a sand seal and they also tightened up the play that existed in the old bushes.
The arms that the boat actually sits on were also modified with some alloy sheet and flat refrigeration foam.



The only thing I think I need asap is that sailbox.... I've ordered the material and am still waiting.... xmas break is over guys, come on and get my order happening !!!!

smile


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: No Turbulence] #268878
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Originally Posted by No Turbulence
I think you will find Phil, has it written in the constitution that the wind will not treat you well at Deep Lake until you have sailed there for at least a season!


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interestingly enough......

Race 1
I (sailing solo) got bytch-slapped big time..... out on the trap haulin butt, big gust coming, ease the main, and point her up a tad as the gust hits.......
the main inverts and I actually pull the boat over onto myself thus assisting the willy-willy gust

mad

I have no idea as to how long Alan and I spent trying to right her but it physically sapped me..... MODIFICATIONS TO COME mad


Race 2
Phil and crew gets bytch-slapped by the same willy-willy



seems the lake god is female and doesn't care who she takes her curse out on


sick


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #269121
02/06/14 03:22 PM
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As has been the standard with this old girl since her re-floating....


more failures from old weathered bits sick

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this was the one that had the slow leak, down to 10psi every w/end after sitting for the weak. I did tank the tyre but couldn't find a leak....
This blowout happened about 20miles from home on a stinking hot day (last Sunday), started of as a bit of a bulge that caused a slight vibration through the trailer, we slowed down as it got worse.......
Wasn't worth stopping as I didn't have a spare for the trailer, its an old stud pattern and so 'limp home' mode was selected.

We kept a very close eye on it as the tyre fell apart and the speed was dropped several times as it worsened, we eventually made the my street at a rapid rate of ~20kph
grin


With so much carnage of the tyre...... & yet not a single mark on the hull, smile the trailer escaped with only a minor scratch
grin


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #269631
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Read em and weep ...... grin


https://www.facebook.com/WarrnamboolYachtClub/posts/598573470223759


Warrnambool regatta:

we had a great start on day 1 with a solid win in race 1 and were looking to back it up in race 2 when poo's did smack us down....
busted mast and torn main cry

what really pi$$ed me off was I'd stuck Jurassic Karp's mast, main sail & jib onto Twice Shy just for the regatta
mad cry shocked eek

so now I have to find a new mast and main for Karp....

mutter mutter mutter




Saturday nights social activities were cut sort so we could re-assemble the old gear back onto Twice Shy to compete on Sunday.

Luckily no major damage was done when the mast snapped to anything else except the mast and main.....

Sunday saw us back up n racing in what I can only say were great conditions for the old tart.... had a ball and came home with trophies.....

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not bad for an eBay hack ....
even better for a beginner crew and an old fart


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Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #269633
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the not so good bit......



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Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #269643
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The last time I broke a mast like that it was due to insufficient diamond tension. Did something break first (like a diamond wire) or did the mast just let go?


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Unusal spot,

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #269646
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I thought that was the normal spot, even broke my f18 mast there!


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Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Peter_Lyons] #269648
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Originally Posted by Peter_Lyons
The last time I broke a mast like that it was due to insufficient diamond tension. Did something break first (like a diamond wire) or did the mast just let go?


Diamond tension on that mast is (or should I say "was") adjustable, we were running it around the 3/4 mark on the day .....

Nothing else broke with the rig ...... & I'll be using all the setup off this mast on the replacement mast, nothing is damaged except the alloy section itself

wink

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Matt_Stone] #269649
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stone
Unusal spot,


Several other sailors (including ex mozzie sailors) said the same thing

Bit of a mystery up until an old sailor and frequent bay user said one thing that ties it all together ......


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Dazz] #269650
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Originally Posted by Dazz
I thought that was the normal spot, even broke my f18 mast there!


Mozzies apparently break in 3 common spots.....

Area around the goose-neck
Dimond spreader bar
&
At the hounds

Uncommon to break else where apparently.....

I'm no expert as I've only ever broken one other mast and that was a cedar mast on my impara cadet back in 1973 !!!!! grin



A bit more detail :

As we went over another gust hit us a 2nd time and that pushed the mast to ~45degrees down into the water..... We were on our way to a full capsize ... But there was a few moments of hesitation were it seemed to just hang there

then there was a shudder through the boat and she dropped down to fully upside down instantly...

Bugger, it was past the stage I could use my home-made righting setup so I went to the righting rope thats lashed up on the front of the tramp....
It was then I saw the base of the mast about a foot infront of the front beam and about two feet under the water.....
Crew calls out.... Dad, why is the mast up there ?.....
Turn around to see the top of the mast about 4feet above the water bobbing about happily at the back of the boat

Ummmmm errrrrr ...... thats not good !!!! shocked


After we were draged back to shore and the rig was cleared away and the boat righted was when we were told why it had failed in that spot.....

Unknowingly we'd capsized on a sandbar and it was probably the wind gust and sea swell that pile-drove the mast until it failed

It did hang at that angle for quite some time befote flopping fully now we think about it .... whistle

Makes sense but I'll never realy know....


so .................


Any spare masts around ????

wink


edited to fix spelling ... original post done from smart phone..... logical hey
grin

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Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: 1182 ......'Twice Shy' [Re: Pirate] #269814
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The beach rollers I got with Jurassic Karp have seen better days, one or two small splits soon multiplied into several small splits as soon as I started using the rollers under Twice Shy

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these small splits only got worse with use.... up until the side wall of the roller stated to fail they were semi tolerable so now I have to get a fix for these....

frown

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Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

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