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Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew #278594
04/28/15 06:19 AM
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Hello all,
I've seen these before, no one around me now seems to use the retrieval line the goes on the clew somehow that helps tuck more of the spin sheet in the snuffer when snuffed, keeping less slack on the tramp. Any links to pictures/explanation would be great- Thanks.


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278607
04/28/15 08:53 AM
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Jake, Chris Green, countless others know this system/ line for the sheets when snuffed off the spin clew?


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278608
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Tie a 400mm length small line to the clew with a ring on the end. Pass the halyard from the snuffer through the ring and then up to the snuffer patches.

You will have use a longer spin halyard to make this work properly.

Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: mikekrantz] #278611
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
Tie a 400mm length small line to the clew with a ring on the end. Pass the halyard from the snuffer through the ring and then up to the snuffer patches.

You will have use a longer spin halyard to make this work properly.


thanks Mike,

I realize now it's for the spin halyard/retrieval line slack, and not for the spin sheet excess when doused?

I'm now running the seperate tack where the bungee goes from around the halyard to the spin tack hoist line, so I may not need this?

I was thinking it was also for the spin sheet slack when doused?


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278613
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Originally Posted by Todd_Sails
Originally Posted by mikekrantz
Tie a 400mm length small line to the clew with a ring on the end. Pass the halyard from the snuffer through the ring and then up to the snuffer patches.

You will have use a longer spin halyard to make this work properly.








thanks Mike,

I realize now it's for the spin halyard/retrieval line slack, and not for the spin sheet excess when doused?

I'm now running the separate tack where the bungee goes from around the halyard to the spin tack hoist line, so I may not need this?

I was thinking it was also for the spin sheet slack when doused?


No it's for the spin sheet. Think about it. Tie a small line to the clew, I use 2mm spyder line. The other end a plastic ring 1"- 1 1/2"dia.
Run the retrieval end of the spin halyard from the snuffer through the ring first then to the take down patches. When you snuff the spin the ring will be the first thing in the bag and will pull the clew and sheets in earlier than without it leaving less line out of the bag.. My small line is a bit longer and you might want to mess with to see what works for you. Shorter small line will take more sheet, longer less.

The retrieval end will need to be longer because the ring holds the retrieval line closer to the clew instead of going straight up from the bag to the first take down patch and you need the extra length on port tack so the retrieval line doesn't interfere with the shape of the spin.


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278620
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Catman is correct. Instead of leaving the clew out near the end of the snuffer. By running the halyard through the ring at the clew, it pulls the clew in first and all the way to the back of the sniffer bag. This gathers most of the slack out of the spin sheets when snuffed.

Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278630
04/28/15 01:45 PM
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i had this system

but I had problems snuffing and shrimped my spin in pretty heavy air and cut it off the system, at the time i thought it caused me to foul the spin snuffing

now that i have used a spin a lot more and have skrewed up the snuffing many additional times, I am not sure it had anything to do with the snuffing problems of that day or not - but i never replaced it

Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278631
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I'm not a fan of this system. It makes the snuff more difficult and if everything isn't prefect can hose the spin shape in light are. I use stick on velcro on the crossbar to keep the sheet out of the water. I also use bungee tied to the ends of the spinsheet to keep the deck tidy.


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: David Ingram] #278632
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
I'm not a fan of this system. It makes the snuff more difficult and if everything isn't prefect can hose the spin shape in light are. I use stick on velcro on the crossbar to keep the sheet out of the water. I also use bungee tied to the ends of the spinsheet to keep the deck tidy.


What he said.


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278634
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Thanks to all, I'll experimenmt.

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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: David Ingram] #278638
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
I'm not a fan of this system. It makes the snuff more difficult and if everything isn't prefect can hose the spin shape in light are. I use stick on velcro on the crossbar to keep the sheet out of the water. I also use bungee tied to the ends of the spinsheet to keep the deck tidy.


Same thing here too...my compass sits right behind my forestay and I had this system wrap something around the compass once that made a serious mess out of things. it could also sometimes make the snuff really difficult (actually, I think it was relaunching it that sometimes would get really tough)..but we may have been doing something wrong with it. I eventually quit using it and we just make sure the spin sheet isn't any longer overall than it needs to be.


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278644
04/29/15 06:58 AM
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Thanks again all, I'll experiment with both systems a bit.

Now I started a new thread about tying off or what people are doing with the spin sheet- as mine has the two ends on the tramp, with a pigtail tying off to the spin. Please see that thread and comment.


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Re: Pics and/or explanation of spin sheet retrieval loop on clew [Re: Todd_Sails] #278764
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I use then strop at the clew and love it. However, i regularly sail with inexperienced crew and they don't understand that they need to use their manballs to launch and or snuff. There is a point that the kite bunches up and needs a little extra effort. I know it's going to happen and expect it. I am in touch with my manballs. Once my crew has launched and retrieved a couple times, they are in touch with their own manballs.


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